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galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#1New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 20:57:59
"Video footage has emerged showing the body of a Syrian boy reportedly tortured to death after his arrest in April following a government crackdown on pro-democracy protests in the country.

The video, provided to Al Jazeera by sources inside Syria, shows the mutilated body of 15-year-old Thamer al-Sahri, who was arrested for participating in an anti-government demonstration.

Hundreds of residents of the Syrian town of Jeeza filled the streets to mourn his death on Wednesday, the day his body was released from the mortuary and returned to his parents, six weeks after he went missing.

The amateur video shows al-Sahri's body riddled with bullets, missing an eye, several teeth, and according to Al Jazeera's source, returned to his family with a broken neck and leg.

Al Jazeera is unable to independently verify the footage due to restrictions on journalists in the country.

Al-Sahri was arrested along with his friend, 13-year-old Hamza al-Khateeb - the teenager whose brutal death caused much of the world to pay closer attention to the events in Syria. Al-Khateeb's body was also mutilated.

The Syrian government has denied using torture against protesters, but the latest video could lead to renewed demonstrations in the country against alleged excesses by the Syrian security forces."

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UN weighs resolution
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"The footage emerged as Russia rejected a possible UN Security Council resolution condemning the violence in Syria, saying that the situation in the country does not present a threat to international stability.

"Russia is against any UN Security Council resolution on Syria," Alexander Lukashevich, a foreign ministry spokesman, told journalists at a briefing in Moscow on Thursday.

"We do not believe the Syrian issue is a subject for consideration by the Security Council, let alone the adoption of some kind of resolution. [...] The situation in this country, in our view, does not present a threat to international peace and security."


On Wednesday, Britain, France, Germany and Portugal floated a draft resolution condemning Syria at the Security Council as the US and its allies seek to raise the pressure on Syria to end its violent crackdown on anti-government protesters.

Mark Lyall Grant, the British UN envoy, said the resolution could be put to the vote in the coming days at the UN despite the threat of a Russian veto.

"We would like a vote as soon as possible, before the end of the week," Grant, said.

The proposal falls short of calling for military action or further UN sanctions against the Syrian government.

Russia and China, which both hold vetoes, have made clear they dislike the idea of council involvement, which they say could help to destabilise a strategic Middle Eastern country.

Moscow has long been an ally and arms supplier of Syria. Russia, citing NATO's inconclusive bombing of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, said it would veto intervention against Syria in the Security Council."

https://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/06/2011696563111657.html
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Seems like what the USA has been doing with Israel for the past 40 years has finally caught up with them. Syria is actually Russia's Israel.

Thoughts?
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#2New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:06:11
@galasTAray Said


Seems like what the USA has been doing with Israel for the past 40 years has finally caught up with them. Syria is actually Russia's Israel.

Thoughts?



And this effects the US (specifically) because...
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#3New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:15:11
@someone_else Said

And this effects the US (specifically) because...



I don't know if it directly affects it. Probably indirectly, of course. But it's just nice to realize things like this, you know? Goes to show that both sides can play the dirty game.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#4New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:25:15
@galasTAray Said

I don't know if it directly affects it. Probably indirectly, of course. But it's just nice to realize things like this, you know? Goes to show that both sides can play the dirty game.



Both sides? That seems to indicate that you think there are only two.
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#5New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:35:24
@someone_else Said

Both sides? That seems to indicate that you think there are only two.



Indeed, there are a multitude of sides when you look at the world altogether. But what I'm talking about here is the famous USA/Russia conflict. There's no direct conflict, of course, but you'd have to be completely stupid to actually believe the Cold War is over, for example. See how two of the largest superpowers abuse their power?
CannyMind On January 08, 2015




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#6New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:37:46
@someone_else Said

And this effects the US (specifically) because...


Not everything (or indeed anything) needs to directly affect the US for it to be important in, and of, it's own right.

Perhaps you consider the ongoing massacre of civilians in Syria unimportant?
But many people around the world (including in the US, no doubt) think it utterly despicable and deplorable, and feel it concerns them out of a shared sense of humanity, if nothing else.
I for one cannot understand how they can justify the intervention in, and bombing of, Libya while hiding behind the sheer bloody hypocrisy and cant of non-intervention in Syria.
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#7New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:39:41
@CannyMind Said

I for one cannot understand how they can justify the intervention in, and bombing of, Libya while hiding behind the sheer bloody hypocrisy and cant of non-intervention in Syria.



Oh I think you understand why.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#8New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:40:01
@CannyMind Said

Not everything (or indeed anything) needs to directly affect the US for it to be important in, and of, it's own right.

Perhaps you consider the ongoing massacre of civilians in Syria unimportant?
But many people around the world (including in the US, no doubt) think it utterly despicable and deplorable, and feel it concerns them out of a shared sense of humanity, if nothing else.
I for one cannot understand how they can justify the intervention in, and bombing of, Libya while hiding behind the sheer bloody hypocrisy and cant of non-intervention in Syria.



Okay Mr. Snippy, that's two.

Did you see the part of GalasTAray's post that I actually quoted? The part that said "Seems like what the USA has been doing with Israel for the past 40 years has finally caught up with them."?

I wanted to know what the one had to do with the other, which he finally connected. Thank you.
CannyMind On January 08, 2015




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#9New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:44:36
@someone_else Said

Okay Mr. Snippy, that's two.

Did you see the part of GalasTAray's post that I actually quoted? The part that said "Seems like what the USA has been doing with Israel for the past 40 years has finally caught up with them."?

I wanted to know what the one had to do with the other, which he finally connected. Thank you.



Shee-it just realised it was you again after I'd posted it!

(No. All I saw was "This affects the US how? Next time I'll make sure I read the full post; quotes and all. That's a free one IOU!)
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#10New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:46:24
@galasTAray Said

Indeed, there are a multitude of sides when you look at the world altogether. But what I'm talking about here is the famous USA/Russia conflict. There's no direct conflict, of course, but you'd have to be completely stupid to actually believe the Cold War is over, for example. See how two of the largest superpowers abuse their power?



Your second article seems to indicate that both Russia and China are opposing the UN involvement. I'm still a little bit confused about this actual issue here.

Let me recap what I think this says and you tell me if I'm right.

The young man in Syria was a pro-democracy protester (meaning he wanted democracy) and was arrested, tortured and killed by the Syrian government. The UN wants a resolution protecting the pro-democracy protesters and Russia doesn't want the UN to get involved. Russia (and possibly China) is/are trying to overpower the rest of the UN Council by voting against the others.

Is that about right?
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#11New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:46:42
@CannyMind Said

Shee-it just realised it was you again after I'd posted it!

(No. All I saw was "This affects the US how? Next time I'll make sure I read the full post; quotes and all. That's a free kick in the head IOU!)



CannyMind On January 08, 2015




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#12New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:49:07
@someone_else Said

Your second article seems to indicate that both Russia and China are opposing the UN involvement. I'm still a little bit confused about this actual issue here.

Let me recap what I think this says and you tell me if I'm right.

The young man in Syria was a pro-democracy protester (meaning he wanted democracy) and was arrested, tortured and killed by the Syrian government. The UN wants a resolution protecting the pro-democracy protesters and Russia doesn't want the UN to get involved. Russia (and possibly China) is/are trying to overpower the rest of the UN Council by voting against the others.

Is that about right?


Yip. China must be quaking in it's boots at the thought of a such large scale movements for "democracy."
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#13New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:51:06
@someone_else Said

Your second article seems to indicate that both Russia and China are opposing the UN involvement. I'm still a little bit confused about this actual issue here.

Let me recap what I think this says and you tell me if I'm right.

The young man in Syria was a pro-democracy protester (meaning he wanted democracy) and was arrested, tortured and killed by the Syrian government. The UN wants a resolution protecting the pro-democracy protesters and Russia doesn't want the UN to get involved. Russia (and possibly China) is/are trying to overpower the rest of the UN Council by voting against the others.

Is that about right?


Exactly. They (I know about only Russia, though) are essentially vetoing everything the UN tries to throw at the Syrian government much like the USA vetoed all the UN resolutions against Israel. That's the "game" I'm highlighting.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#14New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 21:59:48
@galasTAray Said

Exactly. They (I know about only Russia, though) are essentially vetoing everything the UN tries to throw at the Syrian government much like the USA vetoed all the UN resolutions against Israel. That's the "game" I'm highlighting.



Well...if the US has been vetoing every resolution the UN threw at them and they still managed to pass all those other ones, then I guess we're not very good at the game are we? It might be safe to say that Russia will have the same 'success'.
CannyMind On January 08, 2015




Glasgow, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Jun 09, 2011 @ 22:00:44
@galasTAray Said

Oh I think you understand why.


Maybe?
I've a vauge suspcion it's somehow conected with em, natural resources like, perhaps - oil?


But there's a lot of "geo-politics" along with it that I've yet to wrap my head round. The "fear of destabilising the middle east" stuff? (Which usually translates as "upsetting the Israelis/their American backers". But then there's also the Russian angle, and their arms trade with Syria.)

Mmmmm?
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