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Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#31New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:17:29
@jonnythan Said

From the College Board:

Public four-year colleges charge, on average, $7,605 per year in tuition and fees for in-state students.

Public two-year colleges charge, on average, $2,713 per year in tuition and fees.


Those numbers don't sound insurmountable to me.


They're *public*. A good portion of their funding comes from the government.
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#32New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:19:16
@jonnythan Said

I don't think anyone can argue that the quality of education in this country has gone up in the last two decades.



I would argue that, I graduated college just a few years ago and I know from speaking with my parents I most definitely got a better education than they did 20 years before me. Just from a technological standpoint alone there are so many more resources available to help educate kids now than there were a few decades ago.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#33New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:20:24
@Lili Said

They're *public*. A good portion of their funding comes from the government.


The state government. You know full well "the government" in this country isn't a single entity.

It's none of the federal government's business.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#34New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:20:39
@jonnythan Said

Well, whatever we were doing back then sure as s*** seemed to work better in terms of driving the economy.....

I don't think anyone can argue that the quality of education in this country has gone up in the last two decades.



Back then it was reasonable to assume that the man of the house could get a factory job and support his household on one income. That's not the society we're living in now. Manufacturing is outsourced by private companies, or automated. The jobs available in this economy now require an education.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#35New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:21:37
@Lili Said
The jobs available in this economy now require an education.


Yet somehow, most of the people I know are working in fields completely unrelated to what they got a degree in.
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#36New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:23:28
@Lili Said

Ah, you're right, I misread that. However, decades ago a far lower percentage of the population was getting a degree at all. Does he think we should go back to that? Where, yes, tuition was lower, but far fewer people were getting degrees?



Actually that isn't true at all.

The percentage of the population who have received college degrees has stayed stubbornly fixed around the 30% mark for quite some time.

Even though more kids initially attend college today, a lot of them don't make it through to get their degree.

It is something that has most definitely frustrated sociologists and suggests that the push we currently have to send more and more kids to college is all in vain as most of those who wouldn't have gone in previous generations still won't end up getting their degree.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#37New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:23:28
@jonnythan Said

The state government. You know full well "the government" in this country isn't a single entity.

It's none of the federal government's business.


Frequently state programs are trickle-downs from federal programs. I don't know if that's the case with state-funded public schools, but I guess I was assuming that. I could of course have been wrong.
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#38New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:25:03
@Lili Said

Frequently state programs are trickle-downs from federal programs. I don't know if that's the case with state-funded public schools, but I guess I was assuming that. I could of course have been wrong.



It tends not to be
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#39New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:25:23
We can also talk about the value of the degrees since Lili brought it up.

I'm getting my bio degree right now. I'm paying I think about $2500 this semester to take two classes.

I could just as easily learn the full content of these two classes, and pass the final exams, in 3 months of personal study with maybe 5-6 hours of tutor time. The homework is all automated online homework and the tests are all multiple-choice.

Resources? What resources?
boobagins On August 03, 2013
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Astral Weeks, Florida
#40New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:25:29
The whole argument that the poor can't got to school is bulls*** in my opinion. The poorest have more available resources, more available scholarship, and more available programs than the rich do. It's just a matter of utilizing those programs to the highest which many fail to do and a large part of that is thinking that they're automatically entitled to more than those who are rich or the mentality that everyone is out to get them.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#41New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:25:32
@jonnythan Said

Yet somehow, most of the people I know are working in fields completely unrelated to what they got a degree in.


That doesn't matter. Right now, companies are requiring people have a degree, any degree, to even look at their resume. When the economy tanks, they've got to have some way to filter out all the applicants. Right now, they're doing that with BAs.
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#42New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:26:31
@Lili Said

Back then it was reasonable to assume that the man of the house could get a factory job and support his household on one income. That's not the society we're living in now. Manufacturing is outsourced by private companies, or automated. The jobs available in this economy now require an education.



The US still has the largest manufacturing industry in the world.

https://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/macro-view/manufacturing-surprise-the-us-still-leads-in-making-things/2134/
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#43New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:27:48
@Lili Said

That doesn't matter. Right now, companies are requiring people have a degree, any degree, to even look at their resume. When the economy tanks, they've got to have some way to filter out all the applicants. Right now, they're doing that with BAs.



I work with plenty of people at a very large financial firm who don't have their BAs.
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#44New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:27:55
@jonnythan Said

We can also talk about the value of the degrees since Lili brought it up.

I'm getting my bio degree right now. I'm paying I think about $2500 this semester to take two classes.

I could just as easily learn the full content of these two classes, and pass the final exams, in 3 months of personal study with maybe 5-6 hours of tutor time. The homework is all automated online homework and the tests are all multiple-choice.

Resources? What resources?


I agree with that. It would be awesome if getting a degree basically meant passing some tests to prove what you know. That would be a whole hell of a lot less expensive, and accessible to everyone.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#45New Post! Oct 24, 2011 @ 17:28:23
@Lili Said

That doesn't matter. Right now, companies are requiring people have a degree, any degree, to even look at their resume. When the economy tanks, they've got to have some way to filter out all the applicants. Right now, they're doing that with BAs.


That's a fantastic point. What's so much better about a $160,000 BS in psychology from Duke than a $16,000 BS in Social Services when applying for a job unrelated to either of those fields?

The entire point of all of this is that the cost of attending private/independent colleges is skyrocketing out of control, thanks in large part to federal government interference. An undergraduate degree should not cost almost $200,000. They're just not worth that much and they don't require that much money to teach/learn.
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