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shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#1New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 00:04:03
In their latest assault on women’s health, this week House Republicans will take up HR 358, the ironically titled “Protect Life Act.” Opponents have rechristened the measure the “Let Women Die” bill because it would allow hospitals that receive federal funds to turn away a woman seeking an abortion in all circumstances, even if an abortion is necessary to save her life:
https://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/12/341070/house-gop-proposes-so-called-let-women-die-bill-that-lets-hospitals-deny-life-saving-care/
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#2New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 14:33:58
14 hours & not one comment. looks like we are going back into the dark ages for women's choice & reproductive freedom without so much as an yelp!
GaryL On January 20, 2021




North Branch, Minnesota
#3New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 17:28:11
@shinobinoz Said

14 hours & not one comment.


Read this.

@El_Tino Said

When you're creating a new post you need to give some of your own content. A simple link with a snippet drawn from the site is not sufficient. People are perfectly capable of reading any site they want. TFS isn't a news aggregator! Give some of your own opinion to get the conversation started.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#4New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 17:32:14
@shinobinoz Said

14 hours & not one comment. looks like we are going back into the dark ages for women's choice & reproductive freedom without so much as an yelp!



Bumping it might help. Things get lost easily around here.

This bill sounds appalling, but I wonder how many hospitals (aside from the 600 Catholic ones) would actually exercise that right if it passed.

And this part:
Quote:
If a hospital is unable to provide what the patient needs — including a life-saving abortion — it has to transfer the patient to a hospital that can.


Does that mean that even if they refuse they'd have to transfer?

I can't see this bill passing.
JR_Sanford On August 02, 2017




Portland (St. Johns), Oregon
#5New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 17:32:30
@shinobinoz Said

In their latest assault on women’s health, this week House Republicans will take up HR 358, the ironically titled “Protect Life Act.” Opponents have rechristened the measure the “Let Women Die” bill because it would allow hospitals that receive federal funds to turn away a woman seeking an abortion in all circumstances, even if an abortion is necessary to save her life:
https://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/12/341070/house-gop-proposes-so-called-let-women-die-bill-that-lets-hospitals-deny-life-saving-care/


That bill (if passed) will revive the coat hanger business

I believe that the Women in congress will shoot this one down.

J.R.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#6New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 17:52:28
@JR_Sanford Said

That bill (if passed) will revive the coat hanger business




I cannot believe you followed that statement with that smiley.
GaryL On January 20, 2021




North Branch, Minnesota
#7New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 17:59:14
This bill will never pass.

Why bicker over something that isn't even real?
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#8New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:20:32
@GaryL Said

This bill will never pass.


House vote: 251 Ayes, 172 Nays, 10 Present/Not Voting. Measure passed.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#9New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:25:46
@jonnythan Said

House vote: 251 Ayes, 172 Nays, 10 Present/Not Voting. Measure passed.



Which brings me back to my first question...I wonder how many hospitals outside of those 600 Catholic ones would refuse to perform abortions.

Of course, I can't really even see this as being so completely devastating...if a woman is pro-choice, she should check out her hospital's policy way in advance.
GaryL On January 20, 2021




North Branch, Minnesota
#10New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:28:19
@jonnythan Said

House vote: 251 Ayes, 172 Nays, 10 Present/Not Voting. Measure passed.



Now we have something to discuss.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#11New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:32:53
@GaryL Said

Now we have something to discuss.


It actually passed before this thread was even started.

Next time, think twice before you post something like "this will never happen."
DorkySupergirl On November 02, 2017




, Canada
#12New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:41:24
Time for Dorky's silly question of the day.

So if I were going to die from childbirth, I am not allowed to choose to have an abortion?

Is this not a violation of the Hippocratic Oath that states a doctor can do no harm, is not harm to allow me to die?

A doctor is in violation of his oath to give me extra morphine if I am dying of cancer but he can allow me to die in childbirth?

The comment about not giving pessary for abortion in the oath has long been removed so the doctor is not in violation of the oath if he provides an abortion.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#13New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:43:24
@DorkySupergirl Said

Time for Dorky's silly question of the day.

So if I were going to die from childbirth, I am not allowed to choose to have an abortion?


Not quite like that.

If this bill becomes law, you are allowed to choose to have an abortion to save your life... but the hospital has the right to deny you said abortion.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#14New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:44:52
@someone_else Said


Does that mean that even if they refuse they'd have to transfer?



The statement was for current law- not the one that passed- so NO they will not have to transfer.
That may sound like a minor thing (let the woman check the hospital before.......) but many many states are sparse enough that that is your only hospital. And if it is an emergency the woman risks death jus t because!
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#15New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 18:46:25
@DorkySupergirl Said

Time for Dorky's silly question of the day.

So if I were going to die from childbirth, I am not allowed to choose to have an abortion?

Is this not a violation of the Hippocratic Oath that states a doctor can do no harm, is not harm to allow me to die?

A doctor is in violation of his oath to give me extra morphine if I am dying of cancer but he can allow me to die in childbirth?

The comment about not giving pessary for abortion in the oath has long been removed so the doctor is not in violation of the oath if he provides an abortion.



@jonnythan Said

Not quite like that.

If this bill becomes law, you are allowed to choose to have an abortion to save your life... but the hospital has the right to deny you said abortion.


That is what Supergirl said! That is exactly how this will play out now in some places & some hospitals.
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