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dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#16New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 08:04:20
@dookie Said

I don't get much myself these days. The way I read it, circumstances are continually bringing forth our responses, moment by moment. Taking sides?

Well this might be an "eastern response"! "What are the teachings of a whole lifetime?" The world famous Zen Master Yun-Men answered:- "An appropriate statement." I think Yun-Men was coming from the "enlightened" perspective which is certainly not my own, but I still see no point in adding slogans, soundbites and judgements to whatever my "statement" is. A blow for freedom? Putting down the fascists? Give me a break.
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#17New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 08:06:51
Oops, losing it!
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#18New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 08:07:59
@dookie Said

I don't get much myself these days. The way I read it, circumstances are continually bringing forth our responses, moment by moment. Taking sides?

Well this might be an "eastern response"! "What are the teachings of a whole lifetime?" The world famous Zen Master Yun-Men answered:- "An appropriate statement." I think Yun-Men was coming from the "enlightened" perspective which is certainly not my own, but I still see no point in adding slogans, soundbites and judgements to whatever my "statement" is. A blow for freedom? Putting down the facsists? Give me a break.


See, I can't even spell fascists!
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#19New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 08:25:35
@Jennifer1984 Said

Bob gets upset about his precious symbols because he sees monuments to his racism being discarded and feels his cause being lessened. He and his like have been rumbled. It's not difficult to see how he'd object to that.





Yes. It is racist to say all people have equal dignity and melanin is irrelevant.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#20New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 12:32:38
Setting up police free zones and pulling down statues as under mob rule is not okay.

This mentality has taken hold in the United States. White people are being sucker punched for being white and leftist population centers are hosting a free for all because of white guilt AKA Seattle. It's just lawlessness. It's demonic
chaski On about 20 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#21New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 14:30:46
@bob_the_fisherman Said


I love the irony of being called a Nazi and fascist



I haven't read every post either in this thread nor on TFS, so wouldn't know...

Have you really been called a Nazi and fascist?


From what I remember you've told us that when you took a "test" on political views you actually were more or less a left leaning centrist, but you didn't necessarily trust the test...

Based on other posts you stated that you dislike both the Democrats & the Republicans (I'm not sure how that translates to a political view in Australia).

You've said that you pretty much hate extreme leftists (of course some of your posts seem to lump everyone left of far right as being leftists or socialist (I'm not sure how that works).

You are against rich elitist liar corrupt politicians (except Trump).

Pretty mush the only thing (politically speaking) that you clearly support is Trump.

And while I find that inconsistent with virtually every other political statement you have made over (roughly) the last 10 years, it certainly doesn't come close to being a Nazi and fascist.
chaski On about 20 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#22New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 14:46:44
@gakINGKONG Said

Setting up police free zones and pulling down statues as under mob rule is not okay.

This mentality has taken hold in the United States.


Hmmm... I wonder why?

@gakINGKONG Said

White people are being sucker punched


I am an older white male. I con't feel "sucker punched" at all. My sons are young white males and they (as they tell me) don't feel "sucker punched". My girlfriend is a older white female, and she doesn't feel "sucker punched". My niece is a younger white female and she doesn't feel "sucker punched". I know a lot of white people... none of them seem to feel "sucker punched".

You seem to be very insecure. I feel pity for you.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#23New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 14:52:23
@chaski Said

I haven't read every post either in this thread nor on TFS, so wouldn't know...

Have you really been called a Nazi and fascist?


From what I remember you've told us that when you took a "test" on political views you actually were more or less a left leaning centrist, but you didn't necessarily trust the test...

Based on other posts you stated that you dislike both the Democrats & the Republicans (I'm not sure how that translates to a political view in Australia).

You've said that you pretty much hate extreme leftists (of course some of your posts seem to lump everyone left of far right as being leftists or socialist (I'm not sure how that works).

You are against rich elitist liar corrupt politicians (except Trump).

Pretty mush the only thing (politically speaking) that you clearly support is Trump.

And while I find that inconsistent with virtually every other political statement you have made over (roughly) the last 10 years, it certainly doesn't come close to being a Nazi and fascist.


I thought my political view was known here. For the record, I am a political pragmatist who is as close to a free speech absolutist as you can get. I believe in what will work best for the people, not what comports to an ideological perspective. In Australia I oppose the major political parties who privatised our assets, sold off our farms and enacted trade deals that sent our jobs overseas.

I support politicians who act on behalf of the people, even if I don't agree with them on everything. I want the bureaucracy dismantled, politicians held accountable, and government to be as small and unobtrusive as possible.

I believe the western political class turned on us a long time ago. Certain groups seeks to divide us - the legacy media and leftist political parties are very good at this, but the "right" is in on it too.

I think political correctness is a cancer. I can not think of a single time in history where the people who wanted to silence their political opponents were on the right side. That is true of all groups, including Christians and Catholics.

As far as Trump, yes, I support him, but as I keep saying, if the US system was not a joke he would never have been elected.
chaski On about 20 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#24New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 15:06:13
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I thought my political view was known here. For the record, I am a political pragmatist who is as close to a free speech absolutist as you can get. I believe in what will work best for the people, not what comports to an ideological perspective. In Australia I oppose the major political parties who privatised our assets, sold off our farms and enacted trade deals that sent our jobs overseas.

I support politicians who act on behalf of the people, even if I don't agree with them on everything. I want the bureaucracy dismantled, politicians held accountable, and government to be as small and unobtrusive as possible.

I believe the western political class turned on us a long time ago. Certain groups seeks to divide us - the legacy media and leftist political parties are very good at this, but the "right" is in on it too.

I think political correctness is a cancer. I can not think of a single time in history where the people who wanted to silence their political opponents were on the right side. That is true of all groups, including Christians and Catholics.



That seems to pretty much go along with everything I wrote...

...except the "I want...politicians held accountable".

A more accurate statement is that you want the politicians that you don't like held accountable, but don't want the politician that you do like held accountable.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

if the US system was not a joke he would never have been elected.


Sorry but that is a stupid comment... you might as well say "I like Trump because if wishes were horses beggars would ride".
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#25New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 15:19:04
@chaski Said

That seems to pretty much go along with everything I wrote...

...except the "I want...politicians held accountable".

A more accurate statement is that you want the politicians that you don't like held accountable, but don't want the politician that you do like held accountable.


No. A more accurate statement would be I want politicians held accountable.

Part of the reason I loathe the media so intensely is because they constantly lie about Trump. Their lies do not help hold him accountable.


@chaski Said

Sorry but that is a stupid comment... you might as well say "I like Trump because if wishes were horses beggars would ride".


It is giving context. I support Trump, but do not think he is someone who should have been elected. He just happens to have been by far the best option either side put up last time around (and this time too). And he is better than anyone we have, and I suspect the same is true of the UK as well.

The political class simply does not care about the people.

Look at the Democrats. They are a sick joke.
They pander to black people, let a lunatic like Ilhan Omar have access to intelligence when she should be in a jail for immigration fraud then deported. Pelosi is a moron. Schiff is a despicable cretin who lied constantly about seeing evidence of collusion that never existed. Maxine Waters is a piece of excrement, Liarwatha is hilarious, and a liar. Biden has redefined what corruption means and is now slipping quietly into full blown dementia. Camela Harris got to the top on her back and was called a liar by her own dad.

I am sure there are some good Democrats, but I do not hear of them. The woman from Hawaii seemed ok (but I don't know enough about her to say).

There are a couple of Republicans I think are ok to varying degrees, but I do not support the GOP.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#26New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 15:21:28
@dookie Said

Hi Jennifer, yes, I've been away for a few years, but before my last appearance I was here as "Tariki". I like name changes. Some are more pretentious than others.

I'm happy to be "flawed" in whatever way.... "its how the light gets in" as Leonard Cohen sings.

More than our "genes" are involved as far as our being monuments to the past. Conflating statues with people? Maybe!

Nice to meet you. I'll probably be off again pretty soon - I love the quiet life.


Hmmmm.... I'm not quite sure how you can suggest that I might be accountable for anything that might have occurred before I was born, or how I might be unavoidably influenced by past events. Influenced perhaps, but not unavoidably. I have a choice over what I accept or reject and it's my choices that I'm accountable for.

Please expand on your point. you've intrigued me now.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#27New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 15:29:28
@Jennifer1984 Said

Hmmmm.... I'm not quite sure how you can suggest that I might be accountable for anything that might have occurred before I was born, or how I might be unavoidably influenced by past events. Influenced perhaps, but not unavoidably. I have a choice over what I accept or reject and it's my choices that I'm accountable for.

Please expand on your point. you've intrigued me now.



Just wondering if you watched the doco I put in the other thread? If you do not want to see Tommy speaking, just go to about half way through where it is the hidden camera footage showing exactly the type of person Sweeney was while he worked at the BBC. He really is a vile human being.

He laughed about saying gay people should be shot and called British workers cannibals, laughed about Turks committing genocide,etc. You call me a racist and bigot yet I oppose all of that. And while I think he should be free to say these disgusting things, I loathe his hypocrisy as he sets out to lie and falsely accuse someone of being what he appears to be - a racist, homophobic bigot.
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#28New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 15:58:20
@Jennifer1984 Said

Hmmmm.... I'm not quite sure how you can suggest that I might be accountable for anything that might have occurred before I was born, or how I might be unavoidably influenced by past events. Influenced perhaps, but not unavoidably. I have a choice over what I accept or reject and it's my choices that I'm accountable for.

Please expand on your point. you've intrigued me now.



Hi Jennifer, as I see it we inherit a way of being in the world. A "way" which is often not even questioned, merely assumed and taken for granted. I would not use the word "accountable" myself.

We need not even have heard of Jesus to find ourselves in part driven by Christian views of morality......and so on, and so on. Born in Iraq or Japan or India, at a different time, and our unquestioned assumptions would be different - at least I would argue so.

Our personality, our culture, our beliefs are, in my view, not inherent to our true "being", and yet sadly we tend to divide the world into “them” and “us” based upon such historically conditioned factors.

The more we examine our life the more this becomes evident. My experience is that my presumptions, even my ideals and "beliefs", crumble. There is no way ahead. There is nothing to hold onto or identify with. Which may sound frightening but I find it isn't.
chaski On about 20 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#29New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 22:32:00
@bob_the_fisherman Said

No. A more accurate statement would be I want politicians held accountable.



No. A more accurate statement would be you want politicians held accountable, but not Trump... he is the exception.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#30New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 23:03:13
@chaski Said

No. A more accurate statement would be you want politicians held accountable, but not Trump... he is the exception.


Not at all, Chaski.

If the constant laughable investigations into Trump found wrongdoing on his part (instead of finding wrongdoing by almost everyone else in the greatest scandal in American history), he should be treated the way anyone who is not a member of the anti-Trump cabal is treated. And those who have been found to have engaged in illegal activities - which now appears to be everyone from Obama on down, should be treated the same way.

I actually want everyone treated the same irrespective of race, creed, colour, wealth etc. And that includes Trump.

The evidence that Obama was involved in the illegal spying on the Trump team, that the whole thing was based on lies, and that intelligence agencies had plants in Trump's camp is now extremely strong, if not irrefutable. If people cared about law they would be furious about this.

Don't keep coming after me on Trump when your hypocrisy is this massive. Do some introspection there brother.
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