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Sadcat On November 02, 2019




Fuk Yu, Belgium
#1New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 20:08:29
So, I'm not a religious person, I prefer to believe science.

I have noticed that some religious people, (maybe just the extreme ones?), just... deny science?

For instance, the evolution theory, it makes sense, it's proven to be true, an yet people are still in denial?

I mean, I get it that people are attached to stories like that, but I personally believe they were rather written to teach lessons, not to be interpreted as facts!


Awhat do you guys think about this? Wwould people believe science, which can be proven, over some stories with a moral?


Othat's all, thanks for answering!
chaski 1 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#2New Post! Oct 08, 2019 @ 20:51:48
@Sadcat Said

So, I'm not a religious person, I prefer to believe science.

I have noticed that some religious people, (maybe just the extreme ones?), just... deny science?

For instance, the evolution theory, it makes sense, it's proven to be true, an yet people are still in denial?

I mean, I get it that people are attached to stories like that, but I personally believe they were rather written to teach lessons, not to be interpreted as facts!


Awhat do you guys think about this? Wwould people believe science, which can be proven, over some stories with a moral?


Othat's all, thanks for answering!



1st: Welcome.

Now... to your post: One of the primary reasons that the religious do not like "evolution" is that they are typically confused.

The religious for the most part think that "evolution" is a theory (or theories) about the formation of life on planet Earth. This is, obviously, incorrect. "Evolution" is about what has happened to life after life was created/formed on planet Earth.

In addition (as an example), even if one believes the christian creation story, the evolution of animals is a 100% certainty. All one has to do is move forward in time from the flood and look at all the animals that live today... clearly all (or at least the vast majority of) animals would have had to have developed and diversified from earlier forms since the flood.

In addition, even if one (somehow) believed that none of the more advanced forms of life developed and diversified from earlier forms since the flood, "we" have and continue to observed the developement and diversifying of single cell organisms on a regular basis; i.e. evolution.

This is actually a no brainer...

That is, one can argue (with some degree of intelligence) how life was formed/created; god, gods, science or some combination.

However, to argue that "evolution" did not and does not exist is moronic and flies in the face of rational thought.

Evolution in no way contradicts the idea that "god" created "everything", and in now way contradicts the Bible... or any other religious holy book.

Still many of the religious will argue with you from a "god created life" perspective.
Electric_Banana On May 29, 2020




, New Zealand
#3New Post! Oct 09, 2019 @ 03:13:49
@Sadcat Said

So, I'm not a religious person, I prefer to believe science.

I have noticed that some religious people, (maybe just the extreme ones?), just... deny science?

For instance, the evolution theory, it makes sense, it's proven to be true, an yet people are still in denial?

I mean, I get it that people are attached to stories like that, but I personally believe they were rather written to teach lessons, not to be interpreted as facts!


Awhat do you guys think about this? Wwould people believe science, which can be proven, over some stories with a moral?


Othat's all, thanks for answering!



Up ahead the ways you're going to being applying Science to Religion and a lot of your video games and song lyrics will being to finally start making an uncomfortable sense that you're not ready for yet.



A 'Talking Head' is a term for someone who poses to have control in government but really only serves as a pretty face for the public to address when the real people pulling the strings; making decisions hide shadows.

This is ironically somewhat relevant to another type of literal 'Talking Head'
Erimitus On about 21 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#4New Post! Oct 09, 2019 @ 07:45:45
The molecules needed for life are ubiquitous and fload in space. These basic components of life surround and land on planets. If a planet is conducive the molecules form the amino acids and develop into life.
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




4dforum.org,
#5New Post! Dec 24, 2019 @ 06:11:22
What if religion is basically the worship of beings using brainwashing to exert control. They would add the dogma to religion through interpretation and then read peoples minds waiting to see if someone sees through it. That would indicate a break in the brainwashing. Then they would try to control that person, possibly get them to help. If the subject were to accept that role they would be used for that purpose, if not they would be destroyed. Either way at the end of their usefulness they would definitely be destroyed. The intentional contradiction with science would be for control and as an indicator of brainwashing failure. Then the history of religion; all the stories, would actually have been made under duress and interpreting them correctly would necessitate that understanding.
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




4dforum.org,
#6New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 01:21:02
If you look closely at religious writings blaring contradictions become apparent. When people refuse to believe those contradictions they are often ridiculed, persecuted and sometimes sentenced under blasphemy laws. This is not limited to Christianity. When we watch people blindly believing political lies or flatly refusing to believe in things like human driven climate change it should cause us pause. These are educated people, but they cling to what they want to believe. What they want to believe causes them less fear than believing the truth, almost as if in their subconscious there is a fear of punishment for letting their minds believe the obvious truth.
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




4dforum.org,
#7New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 01:24:12
To me there is an obvious link between the two phenomena. Believing what is obviously religious dogma and the willingness to believe what is obviously politically driven lies about science. The question then becomes, where does this fear originate?
darkman666 0 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#8New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 01:49:21
in the 80's, I read scientific books about climate change and natural phenomena, and natural disasters. more bible references about when natural disasters and climate change would occurs than scientific facts.

for examples, there is references in the bible, that certain things like earthqukes, floods, and sea level rising that natural disasters even can move continents slightly. the bible never provides dates or places or times. these events more coincidence than actually facts.

in some ways, predictions in the bible or Nostradamus. in even, Nostradamus is right with predictions. of course, people could assume that that bible know what it is talking about.

the conclusion is Nostradamus's predictions more coincidence with little or no scientific facts to back up.
Cpat92 On May 31, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#9New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 04:55:55
@Sadcat Said

So, I'm not a religious person, I prefer to believe science.

I have noticed that some religious people, (maybe just the extreme ones?), just... deny science?

For instance, the evolution theory, it makes sense, it's proven to be true, and yet people are still in denial?

I mean, I get it that people are attached to stories like that, but I personally believe they were rather written to teach lessons, not to be interpreted as facts!


What do you guys think about this? Would people believe science, which can be proven, over some stories with a moral?


That's all, thanks for answering!


Well, to be fair to both sides, they make intriguing points. Many attack religions due to their lack of proof, but many do not disprove it either. It doesn't necessarily work like science, where things can be proven and disproven. To many, however, it isn't just stories, but they are used as guidance. The evolution theory has some cases where it was proven and cases where it was debunked. That's why some are in denial when it comes to science. Some may disagree with me and to some, I may be wrong, but as I learned, just like correlation doesn't equal causation, theories don't equal facts. If the Evolution theory was proven to be true, then it wouldn't be a theory.

With the knowledge, that science can be proven and disproven, Religion has its perks for many who choose to believe. As I have learned in many debates (and continue to learn) on here and other sites, you can't simply disrespect someone's beliefs because it's different from your own. I suggest taking their beliefs into consideration. Don't deal with the extremists. Don't call them some stories with a moral. Just like science, you can learn things from religious texts. They have the potential to influence you positively as well as negatively just like science.

Welcome to TFS.
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




4dforum.org,
#10New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 11:43:20
My point isn't that religion is wrong. My point is that it is written under duress. The prophets could not write things that were critical of the one they believed was god. The other gods they could be critical of. Moloch for instance, demanded all the first born children be sacrificed to him. Those people were tossing babies into fire. But then god tells the Jews they will consecrate their first born to him at a different part of the Tanakh. SO what is going on here? Is god Moloch. Are god and Moloch two different beings? Are we dealing with a fake god and not the real God? Does God even talk to people at all on some little planet on the edge of a galaxy in a universe of billions of galaxies? The books are supposed to make you ask these questions. Why would someone feel uncomfortable asking them, or even pondering them as you may be right now? Do you feel uncomfortable? Why is that?
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




4dforum.org,
#11New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 11:48:30
This contradiction or secret bits are in those writings to make you think. They are not accidental. People critical of religion point out discrepancies in an attempt to dismiss religion. What they miss out on (assuming it isn't intentional manipulation) is the dismissal of thousands of years of historical writings. They may not make literal sense but did the authors have their reasons? There are also reasons those writings were kept alive for so long.
Asking these questions does not negate science or religion. One does not disprove the other. Remember the alternative to religious freedom is the Marxian idea of banning religion altogether. Then we can worship the state and psychology assume the function of religion in society. Psychologists are the only people who can lock you up without a trial.
4d4m On 4 minutes ago




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#12New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 11:59:23
My argument is that with logic, and by asking the correct questions, religious writings make a lot of sense. Mostly they provide clues to our past that are actually clues to our future.
chaski 1 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#13New Post! Dec 25, 2019 @ 15:40:09
@4d4m Said


religious writings make a lot of sense.




Disagree.

Metaphorically specking religion can make some limited sense.

Beyond the metaphorical it is mythology... when taken beyond the metaphor and myth religion is pretty much complete nonsense.
Cpat92 On May 31, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#14New Post! Dec 26, 2019 @ 04:13:33
@4d4m Said

My point isn't that religion is wrong. My point is that it is written under duress. The prophets could not write things that were critical of the one they believed was god. The other gods they could be critical of. Moloch for instance, demanded all the first born children be sacrificed to him. Those people were tossing babies into fire. But then god tells the Jews they will consecrate their first born to him at a different part of the Tanakh. SO what is going on here? Is god Moloch. Are god and Moloch two different beings? Are we dealing with a fake god and not the real God? Does God even talk to people at all on some little planet on the edge of a galaxy in a universe of billions of galaxies? The books are supposed to make you ask these questions. Why would someone feel uncomfortable asking them, or even pondering them as you may be right now? Do you feel uncomfortable? Why is that?



@4d4m Said

This contradiction or secret bits are in those writings to make you think. They are not accidental. People critical of religion point out discrepancies in an attempt to dismiss religion. What they miss out on (assuming it isn't intentional manipulation) is the dismissal of thousands of years of historical writings. They may not make literal sense but did the authors have their reasons? There are also reasons those writings were kept alive for so long.
Asking these questions does not negate science or religion. One does not disprove the other. Remember the alternative to religious freedom is the Marxian idea of banning religion altogether. Then we can worship the state and psychology assume the function of religion in society. Psychologists are the only people who can lock you up without a trial.



@4d4m Said

My argument is that with logic, and by asking the correct questions, religious writings make a lot of sense. Mostly they provide clues to our past that are actually clues to our future.



How do these coincide, or correlate with your first statement?
Cpat92 On May 31, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#15New Post! Dec 26, 2019 @ 04:15:01
@4d4m Said

My argument is that with logic, and by asking the correct questions, religious writings make a lot of sense. Mostly they provide clues to our past that are actually clues to our future.



If you are seeking logic that you cannot find in religious texts, what does science have to do with it? Many of these texts were out centuries before science.
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