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chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#76New Post! Feb 26, 2021 @ 19:30:40
@DiscordTiger Said

You know that means you deserve a good spanking.

Lol



You always know the right things to say...
4d4m On about 10 hours ago




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#77New Post! Feb 27, 2021 @ 05:45:04
@DiscordTiger Said

I do not understand the words coming out your mouth.

Seriously though, we all make typos not big deal, I simply don't understand and didnt want to interpret it wrong.

I'm otherwise really well versed at the complexity of New Mexican politics and the uniqueness of each district.


Sorry about that. In that election year the districts that were on the reservations (Native peoples) the ballots came in with all the boxes checked except the one for the president. FairVote investigated the Sequoia voting machines and found that in two counties, the touch screens would reverse the vote to the opposite candidate FairVote .

A group of citizens got together and raised the $200k to challenge the results. The state government and then governor Bill Richardson decided to forgo the investigation as it wouldn't have affected the national outcome anyway. I think they should have investigated the fraud as a law enforcement issue. The next state legislature raised the amount required to challenge election results to $2M

My point is, it doesn't require a genius to figure out which districts to go after if one is rigging elections. This makes the 2016 Washington Post article more relevant. 80,000 people in three districts caused Trump to get more electoral votes than Clinton even though she won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

You can say you don't believe it was rigged, but you cannot say it couldn't have been. The electoral college has to go.
DiscordTiger On May 25, 2021
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#78New Post! Feb 28, 2021 @ 07:03:02
@4d4m Said

Sorry about that. In that election year the districts that were on the reservations (Native peoples) the ballots came in with all the boxes checked except the one for the president. FairVote investigated the Sequoia voting machines and found that in two counties, the touch screens would reverse the vote to the opposite candidate FairVote .

A group of citizens got together and raised the $200k to challenge the results. The state government and then governor Bill Richardson decided to forgo the investigation as it wouldn't have affected the national outcome anyway. I think they should have investigated the fraud as a law enforcement issue. The next state legislature raised the amount required to challenge election results to $2M

My point is, it doesn't require a genius to figure out which districts to go after if one is rigging elections. This makes the 2016 Washington Post article more relevant. 80,000 people in three districts caused Trump to get more electoral votes than Clinton even though she won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

You can say you don't believe it was rigged, but you cannot say it couldn't have been. The electoral college has to go.


so I remember the sequoia machines and that fiasco. Though, in NM its hard to find a district that is not Native or Hispanic, so their race based arguments were probably a bit inflammatory. The machines were shifty and annoying, so we have been on paper ballots for over 15 years now. It literally could not happen again.

If someone *tried* to rig the election that way again (Assuming it was a rig and not just a f*** up -- Though it gave us Heather Wilson and she was f***ing awful.*) It would be discovered before the election was certified and way before the EC vote.

Like the EC is crap for other reasons (even how NM is impacted by it) but the old voting machines are not even relevant anymore.

*and as awful as Wilson was, she probably won fair and square especially in the elections with the touch machines. She was bad but her opponent was a case of the local DNC shooting themselves in the foot. Seriously No one liked the beer family... I think there was a "good riddance" party when they finally moved to the other Vegas. I mean they had money and lot of the city named after them and all, but there was lots of douchebag stuff, and New Mexicans....we have a long history and we remember that s***, and have been know to run people out of town like the wild west.
4d4m On about 10 hours ago




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#79New Post! Feb 28, 2021 @ 19:53:33
I agree. My point is that the election in 2016 could have been hacked. I believe it was. From the information I've given it should be apparent that it is at least possible.

Since 2000 there have 1,113 cases of voter fraud successfully prosecuted in the United States.

There is voter fraud. The machines can be hacked. Taking advantage of the electoral vote system is the easiest way to steal an election. The last four years have been all about "how did Trump win?" There have been hearings on Russian interference, Facebook and social media in the attempt to explain away the obvious. The protests in DC capped off the Trump presidency with an idiot show designed to keep people from questioning election results in the future. The way it was done was to get people hyped about a stolen election that wasn't actually stolen - makes them look like dummies.

The electoral college system should be dumped.
DiscordTiger On May 25, 2021
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#80New Post! Feb 28, 2021 @ 21:51:10
the "evidence" you have give requires a time machine and an alternate reality.

So in that sense anything is possible, but be as such we haven't been able to figure out time travel and traversing the multiverse its not a legit reasons to consider about the EC.


Especially, when there are a few legit reasons where it may not longer be sufficient.

Look you can believe what ever you want, you're never going to get any political scientist to actually consider it, as long as you are in the realm of the unprovable.
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#81New Post! Mar 01, 2021 @ 02:01:05
@DiscordTiger Said

the "evidence" you have give...



evidence is stupid!

4d4m On about 10 hours ago




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#82New Post! Mar 01, 2021 @ 07:03:53
So it's unbelievable that someone can predict how a district will vote based on their voting history? I bet any amount of money that Santa Fe county will vote democrat in 2024.
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#83New Post! Mar 01, 2021 @ 17:19:36
@4d4m Said

So it's unbelievable that someone can predict how a district will vote based on their voting history? I bet any amount of money that Santa Fe county will vote democrat in 2024.



"Predict" or "dictate"?

Logically guess or factually determine in advance?

Believe or know as a fact?

Project an election outcome or fixed an election outcome?
4d4m On about 10 hours ago




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#84New Post! Mar 01, 2021 @ 19:56:36
I get what you're saying. But if you can predict a district then you would know which district to target to alter an election. Like I said before, you can say you don't believe the 2016 election was rigged, but you can't say for certain that it wasn't.

In other words we must admit the system is vulnerable.
DiscordTiger On May 25, 2021
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#85New Post! Mar 02, 2021 @ 00:02:37
Sure people can predict. Anyone that thinks Catron count will ever vote Democratic probably needs a head examination.

Predictably is not the same as rigging a close close election.

Causation and correlation. That’s like saying everyone that eats bacon will die of cardiac arrest.

I’m not wrong, but the bacon wasn’t the culprit.
DiscordTiger On May 25, 2021
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#86New Post! Mar 02, 2021 @ 01:42:08
@4d4m Said

I get what you're saying. But if you can predict a district then you would know which district to target to alter an election. Like I said before, you can say you don't believe the 2016 election was rigged, but you can't say for certain that it wasn't.

In other words we must admit the system is vulnerable.



I’m not saying the system is not vulnerable I’m saying the specific things you are using as examples are so highly unlikely it’s ridiculous, while ignoring all the actual areas of vulnerability. I guess because real life is not as “smexy” as a good plot. Just like cars really don’t blow up in accidents and people usually don’t get knocked back several feet when they get shot other that in tv and movies.
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#87New Post! Mar 03, 2021 @ 17:30:22
Tomorrow's the day when the 19th President of the New Republic, i.e. Donald Trump, will be inaugurated as president.

Of course we all know that an act by Congress (probably supported by ancient aliens and/or ancient bilabial sorcerers who rule the world) in 1871 did away with the U.S. government, and installed a corporation in its place, rendering every president and law passed afterward as illegitimate.

Of course that would mean, once it happens, that Trump was also illegitimate.

The logic is wondrous baboonery.
4d4m On about 10 hours ago




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#88New Post! Mar 04, 2021 @ 03:22:47
I didn't even know March 4 was the old day for inauguration until I looked it up yesterday ( Blog ). It's inane they would try another capitol assault. The thing was a spectacle of stupidity.
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#89New Post! Mar 04, 2021 @ 04:08:59
@4d4m Said

I didn't even know March 4 was the old day for inauguration until I looked it up yesterday ( Blog ). It's inane they would try another capitol assault. The thing was a spectacle of stupidity.



Just when I think there is no hope left in the world, you post a perfectly sane and rational thought.

Blesses be upon you.


Note: I am not joking,
mrmhead On about 3 hours ago




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#90New Post! Mar 04, 2021 @ 13:16:26
@4d4m Said

I didn't even know March 4 was the old day for inauguration until I looked it up yesterday ( Blog ). It's inane they would try another capitol assault. The thing was a spectacle of stupidity.



It was a demonstration of herd mentality.
Apparently there were only a small number of people that planned the assault, but it was enough to get the mob stampeding ... especially after s***head riled them up.
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