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DiscordTiger On about 8 hours ago
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#8567New Post! May 23, 2019 @ 17:14:36
But yeah I also have been more and more quiet here. and sometimes wonder if im done too.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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#8569New Post! May 23, 2019 @ 19:57:10
@mrmhead Said

Well, he has posted some of those pics.



I took a picture of a pair of insects doing the dirty... BUT one was also pooping!!!

I thought that one crossed the line of decency. so didn't post it here.

Of course now that I've described it, you ALL will not doubt have the image branded into your brain... sweet dreams tonight.

Erimitus On about 12 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#8570New Post! May 23, 2019 @ 20:02:07
@DiscordTiger Said

But yeah I also have been more and more quiet here. and sometimes wonder if im done too.



I am not leaving until they pry my mouse out of my cold dead hand.
mrmhead On about 1 hour ago




NE, Ohio
#8571New Post! May 23, 2019 @ 20:04:52
@chaski Said

I took a picture of a pair of insects doing the dirty... BUT one was also pooping!!!

I thought that one crossed the line of decency. so didn't post it here.

Of course now that I've described it, you ALL will not doubt have the image branded into your brain... sweet dreams tonight.




...but you didn't see a line when you posted the bug-necrophilia pic??
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#8572New Post! May 23, 2019 @ 20:05:40
@mrmhead Said

...but you didn't see a line when you posted the bug-necrophilia pic??



psycoskunk On August 15, 2019
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A fort made of stinky socks, C
#8573New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 03:44:22
@Eaglebauer Said

More and more lately I really feel like I'm done here.

Sad.




This, plus also life in general.
Cpat92 On September 18, 2019
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Lauderhill, Florida
#8574New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 05:12:25
I want to forget, but don’t want to give up hope. I want both of us to be happy. I still want the chance. I fear to stay in this cycle.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#8575New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 12:12:07
@psycoskunk Said



This, plus also life in general.



It's more a content thing for me. I mean, I don't have any other sites that I frequent like this one and I don't do Facebook or anything like that. Just...I'm kind of falling out of love with the climate.
Erimitus On about 12 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#8576New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 14:13:14
@Eaglebauer Said

It's more a content thing for me. I mean, I don't have any other sites that I frequent like this one and I don't do Facebook or anything like that. Just...I'm kind of falling out of love with the climate.



Well if you leave who is going to give us adult supervision.
Leon On September 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#8577New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 15:24:57
@Eaglebauer Said

It's more a content thing for me. I mean, I don't have any other sites that I frequent like this one and I don't do Facebook or anything like that. Just...I'm kind of falling out of love with the climate.


Sorry to hear this. I hope you don’t go.

Is it too much in terms of politics and not much else? I suspect so, since that is pretty much what is going on here in terms of content, so I cannot imagine it being anything else when you talk about content.

And I know I’m at fault for this myself. Personally, the level of it here doesn’t bother me, because I’ve always enjoyed talking about politics in the past. But here in the past it would be balanced with other topics and humor, so it wasn’t as prominent, but it was always there then too. TPT and I would get into it way back in 2012. I even remember marveling at often having to switching gears several times between Dave’s humor and TPT’s political diatribes on a given evening. Not to mention other topics on just about anything.

Really, I can talk about anything (as I’m sure you very well know). But right now it seems that politics is the only thing talked about regularly here, so I just go with it and don’t mind it really, because, again, it’s a topic I am willing to partake in. Granted, maybe even more so today as I have a 2 year old that I have to worry about in terms of his future on this planet. But to put it to even more good use, I have lately decided to use it for my own betterment. I’m learning more in depth about each of the issues leading up to 2020 with my weekly series on it. Maybe it’s helping others too, maybe not.

But I know that you are not one to talk in depth about politics as much? Perhaps I am wrong about that, but it is just a perception based on your activity, or to better put it, lack of activity in such threads on the topic. I try to start other stuff from time to time. My Game of Thrones thread seemed to take off pretty well. I notice you rarely start threads, so perhaps if you started a few, things could get more balanced? Just a thought anyways.

Maybe I’m off on all of it. Only you can answer of course. But one thing I do know for sure is that I really do hope you don’t go.

I’d be fine with you ending modship - heck I did it. And, yes, take a break if you need to. But please don’t delete your profile or go for good. I made the mistake of doing just that and regretted it after a year or two. First I tried coming back with a new profile, but then just decided to cough up $20 to Tino and get my profile active again. There are just too many memories, friends, and, yes, wonderful topics and threads to completely burn off from your life. You’ll end up regretting it if you do.

And I will end up losing a very good friend.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#8578New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 16:00:49
@Leon Said

Sorry to hear this. I hope you don’t go.

Is it too much in terms of politics and not much else? I suspect so, since that is pretty much what is going on here in terms of content, so I cannot imagine it being anything else when you talk about content.

And I know I’m at fault for this myself. Personally, the level of it here doesn’t bother me, because I’ve always enjoyed talking about politics in the past. But here in the past it would be balanced with other topics and humor, so it wasn’t as prominent, but it was always there then too. TPT and I would get into it way back in 2012. I even remember marveling at often having to switching gears several times between Dave’s humor and TPT’s political diatribes on a given evening. Not to mention other topics on just about anything.

Really, I can talk about anything (as I’m sure you very well know). But right now it seems that politics is the only thing talked about regularly here, so I just go with it and don’t mind it really, because, again, it’s a topic I am willing to partake in. Granted, maybe even more so today as I have a 2 year old that I have to worry about in terms of his future on this planet. But to put it to even more good use, I have lately decided to use it for my own betterment. I’m learning more in depth about each of the issues leading up to 2020 with my weekly series on it. Maybe it’s helping others too, maybe not.

But I know that you are not one to talk in depth about politics as much? Perhaps I am wrong about that, but it is just a perception based on your activity, or to better put it, lack of activity in such threads on the topic. I try to start other stuff from time to time. My Game of Thrones thread seemed to take off pretty well. I notice you rarely start threads, so perhaps if you started a few, things could get more balanced? Just a thought anyways.

Maybe I’m off on all of it. Only you can answer of course. But one thing I do know for sure is that I really do hope you don’t go.

I’d be fine with you ending modship - heck I did it. And, yes, take a break if you need to. But please don’t delete your profile or go for good. I made the mistake of doing just that and regretted it after a year or two. First I tried coming back with a new profile, but then just decided to cough up $20 to Tino and get my profile active again. There are just too many memories, friends, and, yes, wonderful topics and threads to completely burn off from your life. You’ll end up regretting it if you do.

And I will end up losing a very good friend.


It's not necessarily the amount or ratio of political discussion to other threads...it's how those threads are couched.

The terms "Christian" and "Conservative" are bandied by a lot of people as if they're derogatory terms. I don't really call myself either of those things but conversations here have become incredibly polarized and almost bigoted against those who do call themselves those things. People in general who voice opinions on the right are often belittled for it and I'm not okay with that, regardless of whether I agree with those people or not.

I'm not speaking of one person or group in particular, I just get the overall notion that if you're not liberal, a democrat, or want to s*** all over Christianity you're going to be intimidated to not speak up at all and I can't agree with a climate that is largely trending in that direction. Even if I disagree with someone who is speaking from a conservative, republican, or Christian opinion, which observably has happened on this very site...I've argued extensively in threads from a liberal view and a conservative one.

But lately...when I've had views that are more to the right...I've felt pretty dissuaded from having anything to do with conversations that those views are related to. Recently, you asked me to nix a comment you made about abortion and pro lifers because you didn't have the time or energy to get into a long discussion about it. Which I get...there was nothing wrong with that and I didn't have a problem with it. I got it. No issue there and I didn't think less of you for it. But largely, I get the impression that people on the conservative side end up feeling that way about most if not all discussions here. So they make small, flippant comments and get called idiotic for it. And all the discussions turn into "Hooray for the left" rallies where everyone involved just agrees with each other and calls anyone who disagrees stupid in some way or another.

It's boring as hell.

One could argue that maybe there aren't a lot of people to the right of the aisle around here that offer a substantial or high quality amount of conversation but...honestly, why would there be? Why would an intelligent, articulate person with conservative opinions look through the threads here and bother to make an account and participate after seeing the way those opinions are treated?

I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that TFS is a lot smaller a community than it once was and there isn't as diverse a crowd or as many in a discussion at any given time.

I don't know what the answer is but I don't see it changing for the better and that makes me sad.

Really sad.
Leon On September 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#8579New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 18:45:05
@Eaglebauer Said

It's not necessarily the amount or ratio of political discussion to other threads...it's how those threads are couched.

The terms "Christian" and "Conservative" are bandied by a lot of people as if they're derogatory terms. I don't really call myself either of those things but conversations here have become incredibly polarized and almost bigoted against those who do call themselves those things. People in general who voice opinions on the right are often belittled for it and I'm not okay with that, regardless of whether I agree with those people or not.

I'm not speaking of one person or group in particular, I just get the overall notion that if you're not liberal, a democrat, or want to s*** all over Christianity you're going to be intimidated to not speak up at all and I can't agree with a climate that is largely trending in that direction. Even if I disagree with someone who is speaking from a conservative, republican, or Christian opinion, which observably has happened on this very site...I've argued extensively in threads from a liberal view and a conservative one.

But lately...when I've had views that are more to the right...I've felt pretty dissuaded from having anything to do with conversations that those views are related to. Recently, you asked me to nix a comment you made about abortion and pro lifers because you didn't have the time or energy to get into a long discussion about it. Which I get...there was nothing wrong with that and I didn't have a problem with it. I got it. No issue there and I didn't think less of you for it. But largely, I get the impression that people on the conservative side end up feeling that way about most if not all discussions here. So they make small, flippant comments and get called idiotic for it. And all the discussions turn into "Hooray for the left" rallies where everyone involved just agrees with each other and calls anyone who disagrees stupid in some way or another.

It's boring as hell.

One could argue that maybe there aren't a lot of people to the right of the aisle around here that offer a substantial or high quality amount of conversation but...honestly, why would there be? Why would an intelligent, articulate person with conservative opinions look through the threads here and bother to make an account and participate after seeing the way those opinions are treated?

I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that TFS is a lot smaller a community than it once was and there isn't as diverse a crowd or as many in a discussion at any given time.

I don't know what the answer is but I don't see it changing for the better and that makes me sad.

Really sad.


Okay, I’ll address this with three points.

The first is the most important: Not only has this forum always clearly had a liberal slant, this forum’s most active members at the present have a liberal, or at least anti-Trump, slant. This will translate into an appearance of an mob-cleansed echo chamber with only a few active members overall, but it is far from anything intentional like that. It’s just the makeup and there is nothing that can be done about that. The unfortunate thing is that when someone from the right tries to make a case, that person will be surrounded by the presence of these others, and, as a result, eventually feel as if he is being personally attacked. How can he not? I would. In actuality though, he is not being attacked, but just finding that everyone here is disagreeing with him. Nothing more.

The second is this: Although I think the current active members here are pretty good at refraining from doing so, unlike the past on here, sometimes discussions that are political in nature and Christian in nature (which, whether one wants to admit it or not, is highly political as well in today’s climate due to involvement in social issues), will get a little heated, and, therefore, personal at times (although, again, it isn’t very heavy here, from what I’ve seen, compared to the past or compared to other forums). This is to be expected. It gets this way because unlike, say, a debate about the quality of ending of Game of Thrones, politics deals with people and policies that directly affect our everyday lives. ToS even recognized and addressed this by saying, “Rules regarding namecalling and personal attacks may be enforced less strictly in the Politics forum and its subforums. Political discussions obviously get heated, if you can't handle that, stay out.” I don’t know what can be done about this other than banning all political discussion because it is its nature.

The third is this: I will be the first to admit myself, that as much as I really do try and keep all discussions civil and to the topic rather than at the person, I have lashed out at a poster on here on occasion - but even at those times, I strictly attack that person’s forum actions and not him personally. But the fact of the matter is, I will not apologize for it, and do feel it is deserved. When people take large amounts of time and effort to present passioned opinion pieces on an issue or politician and then get trolled with YouTubes of Mary Poppins songs or “no u” retorts, clearly with the intent of getting the other person angrier, rather than addressing the topic or not engaging at all, then OF COURSE it is to be expected that passions will fly a bit more in response. Then, if that is not enough, to hide behind locked journal entries complaining about being “attacked”, and getting mods on his side, to me, seems rather akin to a child throwing taunts at a classmate who is doing his/her best at ignoring those taunts and then running to hide behind an adult when that classmate finally lashes back. While I do my best to ignore this person, I am only human and will lash back eventually when trolled in this manner, and will certainly not fail to stand up for myself when it gets to this (which I feel I need to do here). ToS 3.21 and 3.32. (Note that I do not behave in this way towards anyone else who is from the other side, and, in fact, really do enjoy the dialogue with the likes of Bob and others.)

Combine the three points above, and I think this is pretty much the picture of what is going on. If it is in the opinion of the moderators or even the majority of others that I am in the wrong here, and that I am more at fault for all of it than I feel I am, that is fine, I will stop posting. I will not apologize for it though, because I don’t feel that I need to.
chaski On about 3 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#8580New Post! May 24, 2019 @ 19:18:22
@Leon Said

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The first is the most important: Not only has this forum always clearly had a liberal slant, this forum’s most active members at the present have a liberal, or at least anti-Trump, slant. This will translate into an appearance of an mob-cleansed echo chamber with only a few active members overall, but it is far from anything intentional like that. It’s just the makeup and there is nothing that can be done about that. The unfortunate thing is that when someone from the right tries to make a case, that person will be surrounded by the presence of these others, and, as a result, eventually feel as if he is being personally attacked. How can he not? I would. In actuality though, he is not being attacked, but just finding that everyone here is disagreeing with him. Nothing more.



I agree with this Though there are a few still here who, at least partially, supported Trump in the beginning so they must have been at least a little conservative two years ago.

As a Reagan era Republican, who feels betrayed by "my" party, I fully admit to being hard on conservatives and republicans, and acting the Jackass.

I

@Leon Said


The second is this: Although I think the current active members here are pretty good at refraining from doing so, unlike the past on here, sometimes discussions that are political in nature and Christian in nature (which, whether one wants to admit it or not, is highly political as well in today’s climate due to involvement in social issues), will get a little heated, and, therefore, personal at times (although, again, it isn’t very heavy here, from what I’ve seen, compared to the past or compared to other forums). This is to be expected. It gets this way because unlike, say, a debate about the quality of ending of Game of Thrones, politics deals with people and policies that directly affect our everyday lives. ToS even recognized and addressed this by saying, “Rules regarding namecalling and personal attacks may be enforced less strictly in the Politics forum and its subforums. Political discussions obviously get heated, if you can't handle that, stay out.” I don’t know what can be done about this other than banning all political discussion because it is its nature.


I accept being called a tool of Satan for telling the "religious" to read the bible (or their holy book whatever it is). Personally I think the religious are thin skinned.

@Leon Said


The third is this: I will be the first to admit myself, that as much as I really do try and keep all discussions civil and to the topic rather than at the person, I have lashed out at a poster on here on occasion


Same. I suppose I am a Jackass or viewed as such by some. Of course I have been called a liberal troll who climbed from under a rock (or something of the sort) and a voice of Satan (or something of the sort), which I view as "no skin off my back".

I have been fairly smacked by the Mods, and perhaps should have been smoked more.

Anyway... it was more fun when there were more voices. I didn't even mind some of the ones who got banned.
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