People who threaten suicide.

Awwww...

I interpreted this to mean that one can be committed, and
attend counseling etc etc -- but he can stonewall, reguse to
actively participate, or participate on a surface level only. kwIm?

hmmmm - think about that often - the reason people do things ----- is it because of others/for others? Or is it because it makes the person feel better themselves? But, except for personal reflective reasons, don't know that it matters WHY it was done - just that it was done and was perceived by the doer as the best thing to do at the time. For reasons known, and perhaps even for reasons unknown/ subversise/subconscious even. just sayin'!

I dunno...wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having one committed? - And if they are committed, wouldn't it just be logical that the professionals have a right to more or less 'force' the patient to open up?

Somethings just not right about the OP, in my opinion.

theoretically, you're right! Shoot, it happens all the time though - even for example you can send force people to go to jail, rehab, anger management, parenting classes whatever; yes you can force them to counseling and force them to attend all kinds of session designed to help them change their negative behaviors. But ... it's still up to the individual to SEE THE LIGHT so to speak, to WANT THE CHANGE
and then to make it happen ..... and to maintain the more positive lifestyle, and not be a repeat offender.

Sort of like: ya can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink. And even: give a man a fish for a day, or teach him/her to
fish which will last a lifetime. Professionals/friends/loved ones
do have the 'right' (I believe) to try to force feed unhealthy individuals towards a better life ---- but that does not alter the fact that the individual has to receptive to it, follow through with it, and be able to maintain it on his/her own.

Yeah, I totally get that..
I still think though, that once they are hospitalized, and begin to get their feelings out, that slowly, they will progress, and begin to heal. But there has to be a starting place; they need for someone to care, and to listen to them. - to be forced into talking.

Yes, that is the hope, and the intent.
As well as my wish, for sure, as if that makes a difference, right?
And in a perfect world, that's how it would be!

Yes, there has to be a starting place, and something HAS to be done, sooner or later, by someone/someones, to get the ball rolling. An intervention of some sorts.

Hey, thanks! I'm pretty pleased about my decision to live, too.

Depending on the situation, yes, I would tell authorities. When I was in school there was a girl asking everyone if they would care if she died. Everyone basically said 'no'. That night she ate an entire bottle of vikidin. While I was in the navy there was a guy who always said to everyone; after he even fumbled, that he was going to kill himself. He did.

Yet, there are those who threaten it just for attention. Shame on them. They need to get real.

It is so hard to say who really will and/or won't. If they end up being treated by a shrink because they threatened it and someone reported it, that's their own fault for being stupid with their words. If they meant it, it might actually help them. It's a terrible gamble for people to threaten that kind of play, but for your own sanity if they ever did do it and they told you they were going to, you'd probably live with the question, "what if...?"

My thought process in regards to this matter generally goes something like this:

What happens if I give help and the person is actually faking? Perhaps I look a little foolish.

What happens if I don't give any help and the person is serious? Perhaps they feel even more isolated and ignored in life, and even worse, may commit suicide.

Which outcome is worse?

Loss of a life is worst than embarrassment. duh Though I totally believe some people should stop saying they want to die and just off themselves! I know many people like meth heads that distribute absolutely no production to society and sell to kids. I don't mind people like that committing suicide. In fact, I think some people should get huge discounts on items like ropes, wire hangers, razors....etc...

It is kind of a "duh" answer. That's what makes me wonder why so many people would choose to ignore people's warnings that they are feeling suicidal. Many people frequently say "Oh they're just doing this for attentin, I'm not going to help because I know better than that" rather than consider those few questions.




If you're joking, then I apologize for missing the sarcasm. If you're not, then we disagree.

Kind of sarcasm. You would want to help a serial killer, murderer, rapist, child molester, an adult drug dealer selling to kids from offing themselves? I think they'd be doing society a favor if they did. I don't think people like that deserve to live off of my honestly hard earned tax money in prison anyway. I encourage them to!

"we"? Who all are you speaking for? Sorry if I come off rude or uncaring, but I truly don't believe some people even deserve to breathe. Like that mother (I don't remember who posted it!) who allowed her newly wed to beat her 4 year old kid to death. I hope she offs herself

Eh, I can see where you're coming from. Although I can see the world as being a better place without people who commit horrible atrocities, I'm just not really comfortable saying I want anyone to die.

I just think often people's lives are so complex, and I guess I hope to try to figure out what got that drug addict or criminal to that low place in their life.

Don't mean to take this off topic, just thought I'd explain briefly.