Pacifist Response to Hitler

Per the request of a TFS member, I’ve taken my question to her to a new thread, per her request.

I’m curious to the title.

OK... I'm onto it. Challenge accepted.

Might take a while to put what I want to say together (and when it's done, it may be a lengthy read), but watch this space.

You know, this has the potential to be a great thread...I hope we can all keep it civil and discuss.

Is there some new rule that everyone has to spoil my fun?

Pacifist Response to Hitler

Short answer>>> I'm pretty sure that the Jews tried a pacifist response to the Nazis... things didn't end well for them.

Yep.

Thanks, and no problem. Looking forward to it.



Agreed. While opposing views will undoubtedly occur in a subject like this, I have no intention of this turning into a fight or getting personal. Feel free to ensure that.

Didn't they also try bargaining to oust Britain from Palestine?

Different time period.... but the Israeli homeland thing wasn't a pacifist movement.

"However, in August 1940, Irgun member Avraham Stern formed Lehi, a breakaway group which favored armed struggle against the British to force them out of Palestine and immediately establish a Jewish state. Stern was unaware of the Nazis' intent to exterminate the Jews, and believed that Hitler wanted to make Germany judenrein through emigration. Stern proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany, offering the Germans help in conquering the Middle East and driving out the British in exchange for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, which would then take in European Jewry."

That's the bit I was thinking about

Avraham Stern's efforts were not representative of the vast vast majority of European Jews.

He wasn't so much pushing for a pacifist response to Hitler, but rather he was pushing for a non-pacifist alliance with Germany against the British.

Apparently he was an out of touch nitwit as he seems to have missed the various moves by the Germans (stating as early as 1939...or earlier) to isolate, incarcerate, and (by 1941) start killing Jews.

First you had my attention, now you have my curiosity.

The movie Defiance (2008 film) presents a historical story that includes 1 type of pacifist response, 1 type of mostly pacifist response and 1 aggressive or violent response relative to the Nazis and their sympathizers.

1. Pacifist Response - Sit and pray. A group of the Jews remained in the getto and hope that god help them. That one didn't work so well.

2. Partially Pacifist Response - Leave but fight some. In the case of the movie (and real life events) a group of Jews basically went and hid in the forest for the duration of the War. It worked... sort of. However the Jews in question periodically fought back, usually long enough to remain at bay and not be captures. So they were pacifists as long as possible before fighting back. Of course that left the lion share of the fighting to get rid of the Nazis to everyone else.

3. Non-Pacifist response - Fight. Another group of the Jews made alliances with the Soviet Army and became fighting insurgents. This probably helped the war effort. I'm not so sure the Soviet aligned Jews ended up so well off at the end of the war.


So... we have a mixture of the fight or flight response, plus a little freeze in front of the head lights.

OMG! If Jen says it may be lengthy ... Tito better get more storage!

Isn't there a new movie coming out about that?

Edit: I must have seen a commercial/ad for Defiance ... odd that it's about 10 years old and I'm just seeing a commercial (I think)