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pandagravy On January 27, 2014




Black Mountain, North Carolina
#1New Post! Jan 10, 2013 @ 00:05:53
Some may say that the GOP is the biggest problem with getting things done in washington. Others may say the same of the Liberals. Neither is true.

A combination of the media, special interest groups, and companies with their own agenda have made it to this point so that everyone sits on one side of the fence or the other. the sides are not only separate, they are at extreme ends of the spectrum on either side. What this accomplishes is a last minute resolution that does nothing except give the two sides more time to argue.

In debates like this where both sides are at extremes, there is no winner. Why? Because both groups are right and wrong at the same time. Each side has it's merits, and the other side will refuse those merits and valid points exist. The only way to ever find a solution is to find an actual middle ground. When I am trying to solve a problem with someone else, our points of view are going to be different. Instead of trying to prove my point is more valid, I look for a place where we can both agree and move on from there. We end up coming up with a solution that we are both happy with, and may even be a better solution than we would have come to individually.

So, what is the solution to the absolute chaos that is politics today? Step one, destroy the party system. All the party system does is convince people that they have to choose sides. Step two- Get rid of allowing candidates to accept campaign contributions, and the money they get from the government for their campaigns needs to be the only money they get for their campaigns. This way politicians will not own anything to anyone but their voters. Third- get rid of lobbyists. There is no reason why it should be perfectly acceptable for a single company or organization to be able to pay someone to bribe a politician. That is absurd. That would be like allowing someone to hire someone to wait outside of courtrooms and pass out bribes to judges. The thoughts of the people shouldn't be drowned out by the money of a corporation.

This would not be a complete solution, but it would be a good start at moving things in the right direction. Other things that could help- Maybe the president should be the winner of the vote, and vice president could be the second place winner. That way everyone is represented in the whitehouse instead of half. Another idea- Make supereme court judges have to be voted in the same way as the other branches of government. There is no reason why someone should get a job handed to them by someone who only represents slightly over half the people, because that takes away the rights of the other half to have a say in it.

Too bad none of it will ever happen. Just going to end up being another civil war eventually, but instead of a divide between north and south it'll be neighbor vs neighbor everywhere. Maybe when the dust settles we can start over as a society.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#2New Post! Jan 10, 2013 @ 00:35:21
You're fairly new here, so I am going to be nice....just this once...

We do not really like rational thinking around here very much.

You need to pick a side.

Option 1: You can be a psycho-gun toting-right wing-tea party-religious fanatic who loves Rush Limbaugh and believes that Anne Coulter is really a woman... AKA one of the 1% or very stupid.

OR

Option 2: You be a left wing-anti gun-liberal-atheist-homosexual loving-communist-liberal media zombie who wishes a meteorite would hit Rush Limbaugh in the mouth, and knows for a fact that Anne Coulter is really a man... AKA one of Soro's hired guns.

OR

Your 3rd and only other option is to be from Florida.

This middle of the road stuff isn't going to work around here.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#3New Post! Jan 10, 2013 @ 00:58:11
You cannot destroy parties, as the 1st amendment guarantees our right to assemble and have our voice heard. However, steps can be taken destroy their influence on our political system, such as getting rid of filibusters, and eliminating any party checklist on registration applications (forcing a joining via outside means).
ronrmorris On June 06, 2014




, Texas
#4New Post! Jan 21, 2013 @ 21:57:08
As you are in here a little more you will notice that most of the members here are liberalist. Some of us are not. I am not but do agree that we can not get rid of parties. However we can limit how the influence our elected officials. There is a petition maybe more than one but this one I particulary like since I posted it. No didn't write all of it because friends and colleagues helped design it.
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/voters-bill.html If you like it sign it if not don't sign. simple huh?
ronrmorris On June 06, 2014




, Texas
#5New Post! Jan 21, 2013 @ 21:58:29
it is also available in google under voters bill to pass the following amendments.
Alkaia On February 05, 2013

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naples, Florida
#6New Post! Jan 24, 2013 @ 02:48:20
@pandagravy Said

Some may say that the GOP is the biggest problem with getting things done in washington. Others may say the same of the Liberals. Neither is true.

A combination of the media, special interest groups, and companies with their own agenda have made it to this point so that everyone sits on one side of the fence or the other. the sides are not only separate, they are at extreme ends of the spectrum on either side. What this accomplishes is a last minute resolution that does nothing except give the two sides more time to argue.

In debates like this where both sides are at extremes, there is no winner. Why? Because both groups are right and wrong at the same time. Each side has it's merits, and the other side will refuse those merits and valid points exist. The only way to ever find a solution is to find an actual middle ground. When I am trying to solve a problem with someone else, our points of view are going to be different. Instead of trying to prove my point is more valid, I look for a place where we can both agree and move on from there. We end up coming up with a solution that we are both happy with, and may even be a better solution than we would have come to individually.

So, what is the solution to the absolute chaos that is politics today? Step one, destroy the party system. All the party system does is convince people that they have to choose sides. Step two- Get rid of allowing candidates to accept campaign contributions, and the money they get from the government for their campaigns needs to be the only money they get for their campaigns. This way politicians will not own anything to anyone but their voters. Third- get rid of lobbyists. There is no reason why it should be perfectly acceptable for a single company or organization to be able to pay someone to bribe a politician. That is absurd. That would be like allowing someone to hire someone to wait outside of courtrooms and pass out bribes to judges. The thoughts of the people shouldn't be drowned out by the money of a corporation.

This would not be a complete solution, but it would be a good start at moving things in the right direction. Other things that could help- Maybe the president should be the winner of the vote, and vice president could be the second place winner. That way everyone is represented in the whitehouse instead of half. Another idea- Make supereme court judges have to be voted in the same way as the other branches of government. There is no reason why someone should get a job handed to them by someone who only represents slightly over half the people, because that takes away the rights of the other half to have a say in it.

Too bad none of it will ever happen. Just going to end up being another civil war eventually, but instead of a divide between north and south it'll be neighbor vs neighbor everywhere. Maybe when the dust settles we can start over as a society.



You have some good points. I dont know how anyone could be against campaign reform and ending lobbyist. The idea about reoving party affiliation from registration hs been brought up before. I personally think its a good idea. Soe dont like it because they feel it removes the identity of groups, it doesnt remove the indentity of a group but it does make it to where it much harder to "Target" with the use of registration data specific demogrpahic areas/groups/sets/peoples.
pandagravy On January 27, 2014




Black Mountain, North Carolina
#7New Post! Jan 24, 2013 @ 03:16:30
Ok.... The first amendment does indeed protect freedom of assembly, but that doesn't mean that there should be government funded parties. That isn't freedom of assembly it is a system that twisted the original purpose of the party system and turned it into a self sustaining system of corruption. Of course since both "sides" are corrupt neither side will call out the other one for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Current politics is 100% a corporate money game and the only to stop it is to eliminate the party system. Like I said though, that will never happen. It will all spiral downhill until there is a revolt and civil war ensues.

In every society in history, when the divide between the rich and the poor becomes great enough, there is a violent and bloody reform. Basically a governmental reset button. Then the next government will come in, eventually become corrupt, lather rinse and repeat.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#8New Post! Jan 24, 2013 @ 03:23:27
@pandagravy Said

Ok.... The first amendment does indeed protect freedom of assembly, but that doesn't mean that there should be government funded parties. That isn't freedom of assembly it is a system that twisted the original purpose of the party system and turned it into a self sustaining system of corruption. Of course since both "sides" are corrupt neither side will call out the other one for doing the same thing they themselves are doing. Current politics is 100% a corporate money game and the only to stop it is to eliminate the party system. Like I said though, that will never happen. It will all spiral downhill until there is a revolt and civil war ensues.

In every society in history, when the divide between the rich and the poor becomes great enough, there is a violent and bloody reform. Basically a governmental reset button. Then the next government will come in, eventually become corrupt, lather rinse and repeat.


How are the parties government funded?
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