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sunandsurf13 On June 29, 2009

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Sydney, Australia
#1New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 23:47:27
https://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25048063-2702,00.html

This case has been going on for a couple of years in Australia. Most people felt that the couple were not entitled to anything and the courts agreed.
The decision has been overturned and the doctor found guilty.
Your thoughts?
sheepy On March 23, 2010

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Treasure Island, United Kingdo
#2New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 23:53:14
Absolutely disgraceful mercenary b****es

These kids are reduced to being a "burden" rather than people to be loved.
So their relationship suffered following giving birth? Awww diddums, that is very common, get over it.

If anything this has reinforced the conclusion that maybe nature was right - they would have been unable to give birth unless "dad" arrived in a jam jar.
inZane On April 12, 2009




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#3New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 23:54:31
Totally wrong. Everyone knows the risks of IVF, a lot of times, the embryo (when implanted) splits. They KNEW they were having twins before the twins were born, they had PLENTY of time to abort one of the embryos if they felt they didn't want 2.

THEIR OWN FAULT. NOT THE DOCTORS...
money hungry b****es...
hedkandi1984_21 On July 23, 2013




London, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 23:58:37
Taking care of two children isn't so bad that it should destroy a relationship, for goodness sake. My mum managed to raise twins on her own without ripping her hair out. I imagine that having a partner would have HELPED the situation.

Considering the details, it seems that it was a miscommunication that resulted in them having twins. As such, I dont think that the doctor should have been punished or made to pay for the care of the other kids, especially since they seem to be on pretty good wages anyway!
x_Laura_x On April 02, 2024




Nowhere, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 00:02:20
Well, if they requested one and the doctor gave them two then I can kinda see maybe why they might be a little pissed, but now those babies are just being used as a way to get money that they don't really deserve.
hedkandi1984_21 On July 23, 2013




London, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 00:06:02
@x_Laura_x Said

Well, if they requested one and the doctor gave them two then I can kinda see maybe why they might be a little pissed, but now those babies are just being used as a way to get money that they don't really deserve.



That's the joke though. They only said so minutes before implantation - nothing was said previously, although they had plenty of opportunities. So, technically, it's their own fault!

They should just love their babies instead of thinking about money all the time, when they're clearly on good wages and can afford to spend money on a court case.

I can't believe the Australian justice system has worked out such a disappointing conclusion (in my opinion)
metal4life On April 25, 2012




South Jersey,
#7New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 00:59:25
I'm sure you have heard of the lesbian couple that raised enough commotion in one of the New England states that they voted for gay marriage.Now they're getting divorced. What the hell. They scream long and loud so the state government approved gay marriage, now this. Why the hell did they pass the law for anyway?? So gay couples can tie up the legal system and then tie it up somemore??I don't have anything against gay marriage except this.
rider On September 28, 2009

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The first one, Australia
#8New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:24:09
It's just tipical of our Legal System,she signed a paper saying she wanted two and then claims she said only one.

I can see what would have happened if she did only get 1,they would have still sued the doctor because of what was on the paper she signed,the Doctor was in a Catch 22 situation,because they had planned to do,what they have done,and now he's the one out of pocket.
sunandsurf13 On June 29, 2009

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Sydney, Australia
#9New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:31:43
@rider Said

It's just tipical of our Legal System,she signed a paper saying she wanted two and then claims she said only one.

I can see what would have happened if she did only get 1,they would have still sued the doctor because of what was on the paper she signed,the Doctor was in a Catch 22 situation,because they had planned to do,what they have done,and now he's the one out of pocket.



Yep. Agreed.
I guess the thing that bothered me about this finding is that heterosexual couples get pregnant with twins and triplets everyday.
Children should be a blessing - not a legal minefield.
I can't help but wonder how parents who have struggled unsuccessfully for years to get pregnant would feel about this case.
I don't have an issue with lesbians trying to get pregnant through IVF. I do have an issue with same sex couples trying to cheat Mother Nature though. Hetero couples have been dealing with the unknowns of pregnancy since time began. You can't cheat Mother Nature - it's impossible. Why would lesbians think it would be any different for them?
Negligence is usually awarded where some harm has been caused. I fail to find any hardship in this situation for this couple. Needless to say, future IVF treatment should be refused for them. I'm sure though, they'll split up in time and decide they want more children with other people.
Most of this IVF is partially funded by the government & it makes you wonder how fair that is.
sunandsurf13 On June 29, 2009

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Sydney, Australia
#10New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:34:28
@metal4life Said

I'm sure you have heard of the lesbian couple that raised enough commotion in one of the New England states that they voted for gay marriage.Now they're getting divorced. What the hell. They scream long and loud so the state government approved gay marriage, now this. Why the hell did they pass the law for anyway?? So gay couples can tie up the legal system and then tie it up somemore??I don't have anything against gay marriage except this.



Well, if they have the right to married, they have the right to divorce too.
Like I've read someone say here, gay/lesbians have the legal right to be just as miserable as the rest of us lol.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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#11New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:34:48
The article's very biased. "Mired in the everyday tasks associated with raising two children", "lost the capacity to love". They're just trying to get people to hate this couple.
sunandsurf13 On June 29, 2009

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Sydney, Australia
#12New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:39:24
@buffalobill90 Said

The article's very biased. "Mired in the everyday tasks associated with raising two children", "lost the capacity to love". They're just trying to get people to hate this couple.



Buffalo, this article is just a small snippet of information about the case and I'm happy to post more if you are interested. It's a good synopsis of why the couple sued though. The 'hardship' they claimed in court was that it has impacted on their relationship, and that they did not have enough money to raise both girls as they wanted to raise one.
It's not about whether they are gay btw, at least for me. If they were a hetero couple the public reaction in Australia would have been exactly the same.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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#13New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 01:52:52
@sunandsurf13 Said

Buffalo, this article is just a small snippet of information about the case and I'm happy to post more if you are interested. It's a good synopsis of why the couple sued though. The 'hardship' they claimed in court was that it has impacted on their relationship, and that they did not have enough money to raise both girls as they wanted to raise one.
It's not about whether they are gay btw, at least for me. If they were a hetero couple the public reaction in Australia would have been exactly the same.



I'm just surprised there isn't any sympathy for them. I wouldn't know what to do at all if I had an unwanted child that I hadn't prepared for financially or emotionally. Also, this is different from a typical unwanted pregnancy because the doctor may be responsible for it, and since they are twins I doubt abortion was an option.

I am therefore inclined to believe that the general hostility towards the couple is because of their sexuality, especially since Australia is quite a religious country.
rider On September 28, 2009

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The first one, Australia
#14New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 02:01:14
I'm going to sound like an Old Fuddy Duddy here,my first wife was pregnant before we got married,we played with fire and we got our fingers burnt.
We didn't get any assistance from the Gov,we had to struggle to pay rent and keep ourselves going,it was hard Yakka,but we did it.And yes it gives me the s***s the way they carry on about pregnancy today,so many of them think it's just like playing Mothers and Fathers,children are a gift and one to be treasured,NOT held up as a legal weapon.

I'm not Homophobic towards the Gay community,but I do agree,maybe they shouldn't be allowed to have kids.Most relationships between same sex couples end as quick as they start,so then what?? they each take one child and claim the Single Parent Pension as well as keeping their Job???.

To me the whole thing was planned and the judge should have seen the case for what it was,a scam.
sunandsurf13 On June 29, 2009

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Sydney, Australia
#15New Post! Feb 15, 2009 @ 02:02:28
@buffalobill90 Said

I'm just surprised there isn't any sympathy for them. I wouldn't know what to do at all if I had an unwanted child that I hadn't prepared for financially or emotionally. Also, this is different from a typical unwanted pregnancy because the doctor may be responsible for it, and since they are twins I doubt abortion was an option.

I am therefore inclined to believe that the general hostility towards the couple is because of their sexuality, especially since Australia is quite a religious country.



I understand what you are saying; you make some good points.
I don't see Australia as a particularly religious country. We are one of the most accepting when it comes to gay/lesbians though.
I think the hostility in this country stems from the fact that most people just don't think they were entitled to any compensation - particularly not this staggering amount.
The judge agreed with you Bill though, on Friday. I doubt it will go on appeal, as the insurance companies who insure doctors here generally give in and pay out before it all gets too expensive. The next step would be the High Court of Australia - cheaper to put up and shut up now I think, for all involved.
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