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chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#1New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 01:42:42
Graham says the decision to withdraw from Syria “would be a huge, Obama-like mistake,” and that it “will also be viewed as a boost to ISIS desire to come back.”

Of course it would help Russia, Syria... and likely Iran as well.

mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 01:49:49
@chaski Said

Graham says the decision to withdraw from Syria “would be a huge, Obama-like mistake,” and that it “will also be viewed as a boost to ISIS desire to come back.”

Of course it would help Russia, Syria... and likely Iran as well.



Wouldn't that kind of rub against Saudi Arabia?

Is this just another Shinny Object without consideration of consequences?
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#3New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 01:52:43
@mrmhead Said

Wouldn't that kind of rub against Saudi Arabia?

Is this just another Shinny Object without consideration of consequences?



The H.R. is switching sides, so maybe Trump will switch sides...
Cpat92 On about 2 hours ago
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Lauderhill, Florida
#4New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 06:31:44
ISIS is still an issue?
mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#5New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 12:57:01
@Cpat92 Said

ISIS is still an issue?


Kind of, could be again, and it's more than that.

I thought about the Kurds too.
As I understand it, we basically abandoned them in Iraq back in the. ...90's? (One narrative implies we encouraged them to rebel, then never came to help, and Saddam gassed them)

And now we're abandoning them in Syria while Erdogan has them in their sights.

What a mess

But Putin will be happy, and that makes Trump happy.
mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#6New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 15:18:56
"If the decision to withdraw was made, then it is a correct one," Putin said at his annual news conference on Thursday.

I'm glad we've got Putin's agreement on this!
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 16:26:55
@Cpat92 Said

ISIS is still an issue?


Depends on who you talk to.

> ISIS as they were a few years ago, controlling large areas of land... not as big an issue.

> ISIS and/or other local Syria/Iraq terrorist groups still existing and causing problems in the area (and really throughout the ME)... absolutely still an issue.

Is ISIS "defeated"... no. That would be like saying al Qaeda has been defeated... again... no. The head of the snake gets cut off, only to be replaced some time later. (Keep in mind the terrorists in the ME are playing a long game... it was roughly 10 years between the 1st and 2nd attacks on the Twin Towers. A few years mean nothing to these people... they are looking at a very long religious war and are periodically prepared to go under ground to regroup.

Now.. as to pulling out of Syria. Personally I don't think we should have sent troops into Syria anyway.... But we did. Now the only thing pulling out does is

> play into Putin's hands to give him greater influence in the area.
> help Bashar al-Assad's regime
> help Iran (who also supports Assad)
> undermine Saudi Arabia's influence in the region (sort of)
> undermine U.S. influence in the region
> make Trump look like he is pursuing a very Obama like strategy (which isn't altogether true, but some think it is)
Cpat92 On about 2 hours ago
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Lauderhill, Florida
#8New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 21:03:31
@mrmhead Said

Kind of, could be again, and it's more than that.

I thought about the Kurds too.
As I understand it, we basically abandoned them in Iraq back in the. ...90's? (One narrative implies we encouraged them to rebel, then never came to help, and Saddam gassed them)

And now we're abandoning them in Syria while Erdogan has them in their sights.

What a mess

But Putin will be happy, and that makes Trump happy.


Ah, I see.

@mrmhead Said

"If the decision to withdraw was made, then it is a correct one," Putin said at his annual news conference on Thursday.

I'm glad we've got Putin's agreement on this!


I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic or......

@chaski Said

Depends on who you talk to.

> ISIS as they were a few years ago, controlling large areas of land... not as big an issue.

> ISIS and/or other local Syria/Iraq terrorist groups still existing and causing problems in the area (and really throughout the ME)... absolutely still an issue.

Is ISIS "defeated"... no. That would be like saying al Qaeda has been defeated... again... no. The head of the snake gets cut off, only to be replaced some time later. (Keep in mind the terrorists in the ME are playing a long game... it was roughly 10 years between the 1st and 2nd attacks on the Twin Towers. A few years mean nothing to these people... they are looking at a very long religious war and are periodically prepared to go under ground to regroup.

Now.. as to pulling out of Syria. Personally I don't think we should have sent troops into Syria anyway.... But we did. Now the only thing pulling out does is

> play into Putin's hands to give him greater influence in the area.
> help Bashar al-Assad's regime
> help Iran (who also supports Assad)
> undermine Saudi Arabia's influence in the region (sort of)
> undermine U.S. influence in the region
> make Trump look like he is pursuing a very Obama like strategy (which isn't altogether true, but some think it is)


In all honesty, I expected them to whither (but not die) and then another group would emerge. The war on Terrorism is one that won’t end any time soon. That’s why I still consider my old and “inhumane” thoughts on this.
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#9New Post! Dec 20, 2018 @ 21:32:16
@Cpat92 Said

In all honesty, I expected them to whither (but not die) and then another group would emerge.


Correct.

AQI (al Qaeda Iraq) was thought destroyed/dismantled, but came back as ISIS. ISIS is thought (by some...including Trump... or has he changed his mind already...) to be destroyed/dismantled, but they will come back as xyz terror group.

@Cpat92 Said

Terrorism is one that won’t end any time soon.


Terrorism will never end.

Terrorism in the ME will probably not end either... at least not for the next 100 years or so.

However, keep in mind that one man's terrorist group is another's freedom fighters.
mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#10New Post! Dec 21, 2018 @ 02:40:15
@chaski Said

Correct.

AQI (al Qaeda Iraq) was thought destroyed/dismantled, but came back as ISIS. ISIS is thought (by some...including Trump... or has he changed his mind already...) to be destroyed/dismantled, but they will come back as xyz terror group.



Terrorism will never end.

Terrorism in the ME will probably not end either... at least not for the next 100 years or so.

However, keep in mind that one man's terrorist group is another's freedom fighters.


So when XYZ rises up, can we say Trump essentially created them?
(just like Obama created ISIS by pulling out of Iraq -( by design of Bush))

Or will his minions claim that Putin and Assad didn't finished the job?
gakINGKONG On about 4 hours ago




Okinawa, Japan
#11New Post! Dec 21, 2018 @ 03:30:08
@mrmhead Said

Wouldn't that kind of rub against Saudi Arabia?

Is this just another Shinny Object without consideration of consequences?



Yes. Rand Paul is happy though so there's that.

Mattis retiring so that's sad. Hoping for an awesome guy like him to hire on. But who could replace Mattis? Not even Chuck Norris!!
nooneinparticular On May 26, 2019




, Hawaii
#12New Post! Dec 21, 2018 @ 03:56:23
@gakINGKONG Said

Rand Paul is happy though so there's that.


And how do you feel about it? Or by saying this are you basically saying that whatever makes Rand Paul happy makes you happy? I am legitimately confused here.
Cpat92 On about 2 hours ago
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Lauderhill, Florida
#13New Post! Dec 22, 2018 @ 08:28:06
@gakINGKONG Said

Yes. Rand Paul is happy though so there's that.

Mattis retiring so that's sad. Hoping for an awesome guy like him to hire on. But who could replace Mattis? Not even Chuck Norris!!



Something tells me we’re no longer going to get any more military members to receive the mantle of Sec of Defense.
gakINGKONG On about 4 hours ago




Okinawa, Japan
#14New Post! Dec 22, 2018 @ 14:24:31
@Cpat92 Said

Something tells me we’re no longer going to get any more military members to receive the mantle of Sec of Defense.



Hopefully not true.
gakINGKONG On about 4 hours ago




Okinawa, Japan
#15New Post! Dec 22, 2018 @ 15:06:07
@nooneinparticular Said

And how do you feel about it? Or by saying this are you basically saying that whatever makes Rand Paul happy makes you happy? I am legitimately confused here.



Paul passed legislation effectively changing Spanish Flu to Spanish Fly.

By moving the last letter, a catastrophic event turned into the coolest “get it on” supplement of the 80’s.

Nah, he’s just a good guy— sets the standard high
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