Labour pinching BNP clothes

You have to laugh... at least I do.

Here we have a Labour minister having a dig at immigration, a minister of a "government" that has as a cynical policy opened the borders of this country to anyone that wanted to wash up here.

A member of a government that has shouted down anyone that dared to questioned this policy as Natzis and racists.

Mind you she does have a bit of form, Mrs Hodge was attacked as 'offensive' by senior Labour colleagues after calling for a shake-up of housing rules two and half years ago.

But last year, the Government announced it was adopting the policy proposal she made to give councils new powers to give local people priority on waiting lists.

So can we now expect labour to also adopt the latest "racist" stance of Margaret Hodge as policy?

What a bunch of hypocritical s***s they are, anything to keep their socialist snouts in the trough.

Nothing to do with the fact that Griffin is standing against her I suppose, no doubt labour supporters will be able to reconcile their opposition to the BNP and at the same time continue to support another party that is in many respects growing closer to them at a rate of knots.

Principle! Labour would not recognise it if it jumped up and chewed on their collective arses.

Here is a bit of the story.

Migrants would be forced to 'earn' the right to benefits and council housing over several years under explosive plans outlined today by a senior Labour minister.
Margaret Hodge warns British values of openness and tolerance are under threat because of an increasing sense of 'unfairness' over immigration.
The Culture Minister is calling for a new points system - based on length of residence or national insurance contributions - to determine that only migrants who have made a fair contribution to society get the same rights as local families.
Mrs Hodge, who is facing a General Election challenge from BNP leader Nick Griffin, told the Daily Mail it was time to 'lance the boil' of growing discontent over the wave of economic migrants entering Britain.
Labour strategists fear there are signs that the far-Right BNP will mount a 'serious challenge' in her Barking, East London seat.


Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248364/Time-lance-boil-resentment-unfairness-immigration-says-Labours-Margaret-Hodge-prepares-fight-BNP.html#ixzz0eYgKGNc7

There wouldn't be a sense of 'unfairness' in the first place if British people were so open and tolerant. What a pile of s***.

Nice of the Daily Mail to describe immigration as a "wave of economic migrants". I wouldn't wipe my arse with that paper.

By the way, I don't remember the government ever accusing critics of their policies of being Nazis. Surely if they are so lacking in principles they would never make such emotive remarks?

Oh Christ I really had hoped that someone out there would be able to respond to this story without the usual idiot left wing knee jerk whining crap about the DM, but I knew it was a forlorn hope, and here you are, not just having a knee jerk reaction but an entire arms and legs St Vitus dance...what fun.

Why dont you try for once to respond to the fact that a Labour minister of the crown is advocating what she is.

Something I am certain that if it had come from the Conservatives would have had all you little lefties having the vapours and planning great marches of moral indignation.

But no instead you bang on about the Daily Mail...a paper you would not wipe your arse on.

If you had actualy had the sense to read the article before throwing your toys out of your pram, and mouthing the usual socialist buls*** mantra about anything the DM prints you might have seen that the person talking about economic migrants is your very own Labour minister....No dout she is being misquoted when the DM says she said

'I am talking about economic migrants, not genuine refugees. These are people who choose to come here because they want to improve their quality of life. The idea is people have to earn their rights.
'I think we need to be radical in our thinking and look at drawing up a point system based on length of residence, citizenship or national insurance contributions which ensures economic migrants can only access social housing and key benefits when they have paid into the system.
'This isn't about race, it's about having a transparent system which people understand and which is fair.'
Mrs Hodge conceded that she had been criticised for suggesting two years ago that economic migrants' rights should not come before people who were born or lived in Britain for many years.
But she added: 'We need to have an honest conversation about what's going on in our working class communities. The very mention of immigration causes controversy and the whole debate is often seen through the prism of racism


Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248364/Margaret-Hodge-says-migrants-EARN-benefits-takes-BNP.html#ixzz0eaFcvTaa

I often used wonder just why every time the DM is quoted the Left in this country start gnashing their gums and screaming abuse from what they no doubt consider the moral high ground.

Then I realised most people that do this are thoughtless monkey see monkey do dyed in the wool socialists that if they actually dont have an answer just attemp to smear the messenger.

So watcha think.... is Labour stealing the BNP manifesto?...after all they pinched huge chunks of the Conservative ones in the past fifteen years.

Actually the BNP propose that immigrants should be completely banned from being able to claim benefits, Mrs Hodge is merely proposing that immigrants should not be able to claim benefits until they have paid into the benefit system:

"I think we need to be radical in our thinking and look at drawing up a point system based on length of residence, citizenship or national insurance contributions which ensures that economic migrants can only access social housing and key benefits when they have paid into the system."

Either way I think she made her opinions on immigration fairly clear in 2007 when she talked about how 'white families' in her constituency fear crime (despite the fact that crime had fallen in her constituency since mass immigration).

the lefties, socialists?

what the hell are you on about, pretty much everyone except the actual readers, criticise the daily mail, it is a woeful waste of paper.

as for the story,
so what a labour MP, wants to introduce a points system for immigrants, that hardly justifies comparison with the BNP, or means labour is using BNP policy's.

it may of been a new worthy story, if a minister that is actually involved in immigration said the comments, but as it is now, it really isn't.

OH BTW what paper do you read in the morning over your boiled eggs and soldiers?

I presume it will be one that you do wipe your arse on, a fine working class tradition that....the outside bog at the end of the back yard and neatly cut up squares of newspaper on a nail.

Come on do tell what rag do you get your in depth coverage from?

i don't read papers, getting your information from one source, even if it is a good source, is foolish.

i use all different sources, anything from skynews, the BBC, too Reuters and all the many different news agencies available.

Maybe the DM printed this story because of this...

Mrs Hodge, who is facing a General Election challenge from BNP leader Nick Griffin, told the Daily Mail it was time to 'lance the boil' of growing discontent over the wave of economic migrants entering Britain.

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248364/Margaret-Hodge-says-migrants-EARN-benefits-takes-BNP.html#ixzz0eafiKxq9

Please note that the term "wave of economic migrants" is that of a labour Minister not the wicked racist DM that Buffalobill got his knickers in a twist about.

Oh and BTW my post re Outside bogs and neatly cut up newspaper was in answer to his revelation on how he wipes or fails to wipe his arse, why he should consider this event of interest let alone relevant is beyond me... but there you go.

Maybe they thought that any utterance by the sitting MP on the subject of immigration in the seat Griffin is targetting was newsworthy, I do and you may find other papers runnung the story later...it is often the case.

Oh and BTW I also happen to get my news from a number of sources please dont assume otherwise... I find Al Jazeera better than either Sky ( their international coverage is non existant ) or the BBC. I have also subscibed for more years than I care to remember to the Spectator.

i never said you did, so yeah don't assume otherwise.

It's a crap idea. "The idea is people have to earn their rights" - whose idea is that? People don't need to earn the right to a good quality of life.

The overwhelming majority of immigrants work. What about the families of migrants, who depend on someone else for income? Should they have to get a job before they're entitled to welfare? No.

This isn't a Labour MP 'coming out' and saying what all the others are thinking, that immigration is a real problem but they've all got their mouths shut because of political correctness. This is a politicial opportunist who has to contend against the BNP in an election so she is pandering to British racist 'us and them' sentiments. No one who was born here has greater entitlement to the welfare system than a migrant simply by virtue of having a higher head-count of ancestors who lived within the arbitrary borders of the UK.

I buy the Guardian and the Times, but only for the crosswords. Come to think of it, I mostly hear about news from TFS threads.

It's a crap idea. "The idea is people have to earn their rights" - whose idea is that? People don't need to earn the right to a good quality of life.



Well its the idea of margaret Hodges, Labour minister of the crown..thats whos idea it is.



People dont have to earn the right to a good quality of life.



Maybe but with rights come responsibilities, a concept I know may seem very old fashioned to you.
Those in government should also have their responsibilities, not only to the party faithfull, but to the nation as a whole.
The idea that the taxpayers this country can or should pay to keep a roof over the head and food on the table of any Tom d*** or Harry that manages to come here, and also give him money to support a family back in where ever is not only wrong its bloody stupid.



The overwhelming majority of immigrants work. What about the families of migrants, who depend on someone else for income? Should they have to get a job before they're entitled to welfare? No.



You are asking me a question you should be asking the labour minister...but what the hell I will tell you my view...This country does not need mass immigration, it never did.
Anyone wanting to come here should either have a job to come to that pays enough to support themselves and any wife (wives) and kids, uncles and aunts that he wants to bring with him.. .OR... they should have friends family or whatever that are prepared to support them untill they can support themselves without expecting me do do so through my taxes. I see nothing wrong with that at all, and any "immigrant" that thinks its his "right to be supported by me and the rest of the British taxpayers, should be pushed into the back of the next lorry heading back in the direction of France....Simples..schet as the meercats say.




This isn't a Labour MP 'coming out' and saying what all the others are thinking, that immigration is a real problem but they've all got their mouths shut because of political correctness. This is a politicial opportunist who has to contend against the BNP in an election so she is pandering to British racist 'us and them' sentiments.



How the hell do you know what all the others are thinking? They all called her statements regarding immigrants and housing two years back outrageous and other "Oh goodness Im shocked..how could she, look at how moral I am" bulls***, and guess what...Its now labour policy.
You are another one that cant debate the subject of immigration without using terms like "pandering to British racists" about anyone that doesnt agree with the cynical, stupid and irresponsible immigration "policy" of the Chapagne socialists and "former members" of the comminist party that have in the last 15 years done so much damage to the fabric of British life.




No one who was born here has greater entitlement to the welfare system than a migrant simply by virtue of having a higher head-count of ancestors who lived within the arbitrary borders of the UK.



Absolute crap...no one is saying that, but you of course have to try to justify you ridiculas stance by putting some spin on what is being said. We are not talking about head counts of ancestry.. something that would no doubt help you throw out more accusations of racism. we are talking about a labour minister that is advocating the withholding of benefits from immigrants and their families that have paid nothing into the system. A stupid idea for reasons I outlined in my reply to JMO, it is also dishonest...immigration is out of control the cost to the country are massive, strains on the NHS, to social services, on unemployment are all factual consequences of this govenments policies. and you and people like you can scream racist at people like me untill the ravens leave the Tower Of London but it does not in any way address the problem.

I am also in no doubt that the prevention of rational debate on the subject by the vilification of those that raised legitimate concernes, by United Against Faciasim and other moralistas in the media etc is the main reason for the rise of the far right....It seems that you still dont get this so when Griffin gets elected give yourself a pat on the head.

Sources?

Local councils spend at least ?25m; the police ?21m; the courts system spends more than ?10m without accounting for the cost of legal aid; and the NHS - a conservative estimate is ?55m.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6172805.stm

As the above figures are 2006 you might expect them to have increased?.Let me re phrase that?.. most people that apply a little common sense will expect the figures to be higher now.



https://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/Cost-interpreters-Derby-City-General-Hospital-rises/article-579704-detail/article.html


https://news.migrationwatch.org.uk/2009/10/comment-mass-immigration-deliberate-labour-policy.html


The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and ?rub the Right?s nose in diversity?, according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour?s relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to ?open up the UK to mass migration? but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its ?core working class vote?.
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.
https://www.eutimes.net/2009/10/labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-uk-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser/


There is loads of information out there if you care to get off your arse and take a look? thats all I am going to paste... it took 2 minutes to find this lot, and as I have better things to do than to play your juvenile games if you want to take a look at anymore you can find it yourself.