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Leon On September 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#1New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 15:42:53
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Okay, so I’m going to have to disagree with her on this one. Kamala implies that Pence is not doing so because of his views on women in general. Pence has gone on record saying he won’t meet 1 on 1 with women out of loyalty to his wife.

I don’t see any problem with Pence’s reasons here. He didn’t say he doesn’t meet with women at all, just not in 1 on 1 situations. And, in fact, while may be a tad bit on the unnecessary side, I do see it as quite honorable.

Your thoughts?
mrmhead 9 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 16:31:43
@Leon Said

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Okay, so I’m going to have to disagree with her on this one. Kamala implies that Pence is not doing so because of his views on women in general. Pence has gone on record saying he won’t meet 1 on 1 with women out of loyalty to his wife.

I don’t see any problem with Pence’s reasons here. He didn’t say he doesn’t meet with women at all, just not in 1 on 1 situations. And, in fact, while may be a tad bit on the unnecessary side, I do see it as quite honorable.

Your thoughts?


I'm with you

She seems to be taking a 17-year old statement out of context.

That should be left to the realms of media and wing-nuts.
darkman666 On 46 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#3New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 16:52:10
I think pence being a gentleman and he love his wife. who's cares doesn't he talk women one to one. she is waste everybody time running for president, if the game plan, she has. this is nonsense.
mrmhead 9 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#4New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 17:24:38
@darkman666 Said

I think pence being a gentleman and he love his wife. who's cares doesn't he talk women one to one. she is waste everybody time running for president, if the game plan, she has. this is nonsense.



It sounds like he's just adhering to a practice of his church no one-on-one meals. (maybe that applies to meetings too, but I didn't see that stated)

And to side-bar (it's in the article)
Biden called Pence a decent guy.
Then walked it back saying there is nothing decent about being anti-LGBTQ rights.

That doesn't mean Pence is not decent. Just (at least) one of his views/beliefs is viewed/believed as wrong.

I don't eat veal for "moral" reasons (once saw a disgusting video). But I don't dismiss friends as horrible people when I find out that they do eat veal.
darkman666 On 46 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#5New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 18:10:24
@mrmhead Said

It sounds like he's just adhering to a practice of his church no one-on-one meals. (maybe that applies to meetings too, but I didn't see that stated)

And to side-bar (it's in the article)
Biden called Pence a decent guy.
Then walked it back saying there is nothing decent about being anti-LGBTQ rights.

That doesn't mean Pence is not decent. Just (at least) one of his views/beliefs is viewed/believed as wrong.

I don't eat veal for "moral" reasons (once saw a disgusting video). But I don't dismiss friends as horrible people when I find out that they do eat veal.


actually, I was trying nice call him. in general, pence is republican, they are no gentlemen republicans aside with democrats in voting and working with them.
Leon On September 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#6New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 18:36:33
Pence is the antithesis of Trump when it comes to how he carries himself, which is probably why he was asked to be his running mate. Yes, his policies on social issues are, indeed, draconian, not to mention he is complicit with everything Trump does, but that’s Evangelical Christianity for you.

Regardless, Kamala is going to find herself sitting out at some point during the primaries next year if she speaks before thinking like this, much like Elizabeth Warren.
DiscordTiger On about 22 hours ago
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#7New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 19:26:24
if he is denying meetings for work, (and doing government s*** is his job) it is sexist and discriminatory.
DiscordTiger On about 22 hours ago
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#8New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 19:28:38
he can do what ever he wants on his free time, but just saying if her pulled that s*** as a CEO in a company with women on staff, there would be EEOO lawsuit.
mrmhead 9 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#9New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 19:59:04
@DiscordTiger Said

he can do what ever he wants on his free time, but just saying if her pulled that s*** as a CEO in a company with women on staff, there would be EEOO lawsuit.


There was no context given in this article with reference to job-related, or even a non-meal meeting.

Pence told The Hill in 2002 that he “never eats alone with a woman other than his wife,”


Not saying I like Pence, but this cherry-picking of history, out of context just to find mud to sling is already beyond ridiculous.
floydgirrl On May 03, 2019
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#10New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 20:03:39
If it's not "eating alone with a woman" that's fine whatever, he can choose who he eats with. There are some men I wouldn't eat alone with. (Mike Pence being one of them)

However if it's related to work/government or whatever then he's a sexist pig. Is he afraid he'll whip his d*** out and ask her to pet it? Or is he afraid she'll come on to him? Like women can't just be near him for a professional reason?
floydgirrl On May 03, 2019
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#11New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 20:05:14
also it won't let me read the actual article that they get the quote from because I'm not a subscriber, so I'm being fed half truths here.
DiscordTiger On about 22 hours ago
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#12New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 20:13:24
@mrmhead Said

There was no context given in this article with reference to job-related, or even a non-meal meeting.

Pence told The Hill in 2002 that he “never eats alone with a woman other than his wife,”


Not saying I like Pence, but this cherry-picking of history, out of context just to find mud to sling is already beyond ridiculous.



Business meetings over a meal is a thing. Or even a more casual meal with coworkers, where you can talk shop. Or even get to know one better then float the cool or good projects their way. If he never eats alone with a man either, then it's ok, but in business inherently favoring one gender over the other is illegal. In some places, who gets assigned the projects or committees strongly determines your career trajectory.

Government meetings can be the same way. Getting a meal together, is sometimes part of significant negotiations. Say he has to meet with the leaders of the different parts of congress, and dinner time is the only time to do it. If he meets with McConnell and not Peloisi that is a sexist issue.

If his rule the "never" part is so inflexible that it does interfere in his job, it can be a thing. So to be "safe" he should never eat alone with anyone other than his wife. gender should be an issue, if eating is so special and sacred to him, he shouldn't do it with anyone other than his wife.

There is nothing inherently "sexy" about eating. it' sometimes necessary to eat with coworkers its not the same as going out on a date. I don't like to do it, but I have on occasion. Both in groups and one-on-one. Mostly I don't like to because of my allergy food restriction issues, so i don't want to come off really picky.
Leon On September 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#14New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 22:28:32
The way I see it he is just saying it cannot be in a 1 on 1, i.e. without others present. So could a solution be to just say that another person needs to be with him? His secretary, clerk... ? I don’t think it would be too difficult to arrange that without denying the meeting altogether. I don’t really see this particular approach as sexist, but just his way of maintaining trust with and showing loyalty to his wife, even if a bit extreme.

Note, I’m not denying his sexist views in regards to his beliefs towards women on social issues in general.
DiscordTiger On about 22 hours ago
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#15New Post! Mar 15, 2019 @ 22:36:35
@Leon Said

The way I see it he is just saying it cannot be in a 1 on 1, i.e. without others present. So could a solution be to just say that another person needs to be with him? His secretary, clerk... ? I don’t think it would be too difficult to arrange that without denying the meeting altogether. I don’t really see this particular approach as sexist, but just his way of maintaining trust with and showing loyalty to his wife, even if a bit extreme.

Note, I’m not denying his sexist views in regards to his beliefs towards women on social issues in general.


If the men get confidential access to him for business (government in this case) and women do not, it is an unfair and illegal situation.

So no a secretary or clerk does not make it better if it not also done with the men he may meet with privately.
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