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ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#1New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 18:18:55
This is from Jan Crawford at CBS and was reported in USA Today. According to two sources in the court (which is an unprecedented break the Court's historic practice of operating out of the public eye), is that he switched his vote buckling to political and media pressure in order, supposedly, to maintain the integrity of the court. But what he's done has had the exact opposite effect. The court is not only irreparably split, it has done so in a public manner.

"The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.

"Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate."


On top of that, the liberal justices were upset with him for arguing against the Commerce Clause in his decision and for it being a tax. He essentially wrote the opinion on his own. And conservatives have tried to see his opinion on the Commerce Clause as a silver lining in this, but if justices are going to buckle to political and media pressure, nothing is sacred or safe from back door control.

If this report is accurate, and it appears to be, the fact that the Constitution is on life support is confirmed.
hoppy On August 27, 2013




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#2New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 18:20:56
He sold us out, the chicken s*** b*****d.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#3New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 18:40:05
@hoppy Said

He sold us out, the chicken s*** b*****d.


That's the only way he's left us to look a his actions. His decision was irrational. And he threw in the AZ 1070 decision for good measure.
MAW On October 31, 2012

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#4New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 18:41:27
@ThePainefulTruth Said

This is from Jan Crawford at CBS and was reported in USA Today. According to two sources in the court (which is an unprecedented break the Court's historic practice of operating out of the public eye), is that he switched his vote buckling to political and media pressure in order, supposedly, to maintain the integrity of the court. But what he's done has had the exact opposite effect. The court is not only irreparably split, it has done so in a public manner.

"The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.

"Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate."


On top of that, the liberal justices were upset with him for arguing against the Commerce Clause in his decision and for it being a tax. He essentially wrote the opinion on his own. And conservatives have tried to see his opinion on the Commerce Clause as a silver lining in this, but if justices are going to buckle to political and media pressure, nothing is sacred or safe from back door control.

If this report is accurate, and it appears to be, the fact that the Constitution is on life support is confirmed.



Well it was either that or increase pay in America so everyone can afford health care.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#5New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 19:45:53
@MAW Said

Well it was either that or increase pay in America so everyone can afford health care.


Like sticking your head in a guillotine to cure a headache. I could see where you might think that was best. We no longer have the rule of law, but rather the rule of momentum with the media as the judicial segment of government. But I know you'll never look that gift horse in the MAW--until it's too late.
restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#6New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 20:08:53
We will not blame it on Bush
We will not it on Bush
We will not blame it Bush.


He has served since 2005, having been nominated by President George W. Bush


ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#7New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 20:16:05
@restoreone Said

We will not blame it on Bush
We will not it on Bush
We will not blame it Bush.


He has served since 2005, having been nominated by President George W. Bush


I blame a lot of our problems on Bush, at least as an accomplice or a non-entity. But nobody foresaw this. Of course you can blame Kagan and Sotomayor on Obama, and Ginsburg and Breyer on Clinton.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#8New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 21:45:20
@ThePainefulTruth Said

This is from Jan Crawford at CBS and was reported in USA Today. According to two sources in the court (which is an unprecedented break the Court's historic practice of operating out of the public eye), is that he switched his vote buckling to political and media pressure in order, supposedly, to maintain the integrity of the court. But what he's done has had the exact opposite effect. The court is not only irreparably split, it has done so in a public manner.

"The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.

"Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate."


On top of that, the liberal justices were upset with him for arguing against the Commerce Clause in his decision and for it being a tax. He essentially wrote the opinion on his own. And conservatives have tried to see his opinion on the Commerce Clause as a silver lining in this, but if justices are going to buckle to political and media pressure, nothing is sacred or safe from back door control.

If this report is accurate, and it appears to be, the fact that the Constitution is on life support is confirmed.


Nowhere in the article does it say he buckled to media or political pressure.

The only pressure was pressure from within, among the 9 justices. It happens all the time, you just don't hear about it.

What, you think alliances in there are uncommon? They will naturally form when two or more have the same opinion.

The more accurate comprehension of this article is that Roberts, from the start saw only the mandate as unconstitutional, not the whole law that the 4 other conservative justices saw as unconstitutional and the 4 liberal justices saw as constitutional.

He stood on his own for a month on this, as neither side could convince him otherwise, until he finally sided with the 4 liberal justices in the decision.

Read it more carefully next time.

https://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/cbs-roberts-switched-vote-on-health-care/1#.T_IU8NutNUw
LuckyCharms On July 31, 2021
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#9New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 22:10:28
@Leon Said

Nowhere in the article does it say he buckled to media or political pressure.


Exactly.

From the article:

Quote:
Crawford writes on the pressure that conservative justices applied to Roberts:

Ironically, Justice Anthony Kennedy -- believed by many conservatives to be the justice most likely to defect and vote for the law -- led the effort to try to bring Roberts back to the fold.

"He was relentless," one source said of Kennedy's efforts. "He was very engaged in this."



So, no media pressure. The decision he came to was his own regardless of the 'relentless' pressure Kennedy and the other conservative judges applied to Roberts.
DorkySupergirl On November 02, 2017




, Canada
#10New Post! Jul 02, 2012 @ 23:49:57
@LuckyCharms Said

Exactly.

From the article:




So, no media pressure. The decision he came to was his own regardless of the 'relentless' pressure Kennedy and the other conservative judges applied to Roberts.



I'm sure he can always get a lawyer and try to change his vote, stating he was under duress when he cast his vote.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#11New Post! Jul 03, 2012 @ 00:09:33
good for roberts.
he made a hard decision.
if penalising folks for not having insurance is illegal.
why is medicare doing it to me because i was paying a medicaid premium that covered our whole family?????
MAW On October 31, 2012

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Stockport, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Jul 03, 2012 @ 18:58:01
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Like sticking your head in a guillotine to cure a headache. I could see where you might think that was best. We no longer have the rule of law, but rather the rule of momentum with the media as the judicial segment of government. But I know you'll never look that gift horse in the MAW--until it's too late.



Oh ok then, everyone in America takes a pay cut, starting with you and then you all live like kings.
El_Tino On October 12, 2023
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Albuquerque, New Mexico
#13New Post! Jul 03, 2012 @ 19:39:37
Hey, instead of moaning about the supreme court, why don't you change the law if you don't like it?

Simply elect Republicans who want to take health insurance from 20 million people.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#14New Post! Jul 04, 2012 @ 05:35:14
@Leon Said

Nowhere in the article does it say he buckled to media or political pressure.

The only pressure was pressure from within, among the 9 justices. It happens all the time, you just don't hear about it.

What, you think alliances in there are uncommon? They will naturally form when two or more have the same opinion.

The more accurate comprehension of this article is that Roberts, from the start saw only the mandate as unconstitutional, not the whole law that the 4 other conservative justices saw as unconstitutional and the 4 liberal justices saw as constitutional.

He stood on his own for a month on this, as neither side could convince him otherwise, until he finally sided with the 4 liberal justices in the decision.

Read it more carefully next time.

https://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/cbs-roberts-switched-vote-on-health-care/1#.T_IU8NutNUw


Sorry, forgot to post the link.

It isn't in the USA today article, though this link was imbedded in it, there's the strong indication for several reasons that that was the cause:
"Some even suggested that if Roberts struck down the mandate, it would prove he had been deceitful during his confirmation hearings, when he explained a philosophy of judicial restraint.

"It was around this time that it also became clear to the conservative justices that Roberts was, as one put it, "wobbly," the sources said."

But that is peripheral. The issue is that he reversed his opinion, without a real explanation, and wrote an irrational opinion completely on his own that both sides disagreed with. Most of the pressure came from Kennedy, who many are supposing is one of the two sources. If justices were the sources, that will change the whole dynamics of how the Court operates. Somebody or something got to him for him to come down on the liberal side of two major judgments in one week.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#15New Post! Jul 04, 2012 @ 05:39:48
@El_Tino Said

Hey, instead of moaning about the supreme court, why don't you change the law if you don't like it?

Simply elect Republicans who want to take health insurance from 20 million people.


Typical, the Constitution is irrelevant for 98% of the Left. Make that 100%--the other 2% left for the right. Anyway, thanks a pantload for the advice, wonder why I didn't think of that?
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