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anas On April 21, 2012




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#1New Post! Oct 15, 2009 @ 19:17:11
JESUS in the QURAN
The Islamic view Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jesus, who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the great prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham), Moses, and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with the Islamic view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God?s messengers.
The essence of Islam ? willing submission to the will of God ? was revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All following revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message, with some elaboration to define the revelation between man and God, man and man, man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among revealed religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major religions ? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam ? should not be an exception.Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs concerning him.


The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. When Mary became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel) appeared to her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the following dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran 3:45-47)In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us how Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when she brought the child home:"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, ?Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, ?Lo, I am God?s servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam 19:29-33)in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, ?Be, and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)The rejection of the very idea of God having a son is restated later in the same chapter with even stronger words: "And they say, The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced something hideous. As if the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder and its mountain to fall down in the utter ruin for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and behaves not the All-merciful to take a son. None there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-merciful as a servant" (Maryam 19:88-93)The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God?s sight is as Adam?s likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, ?Be? and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit ? as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be one. The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the Surrah entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion, and say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his word (Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the creation of Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit originating from Him (was given life by God). So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not ?Three?. Refrain, better is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to him-that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices for a guardian.The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the Angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and walks proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, we will pay them their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His bounty; as for them who disdain and walks proud, then He will punish with a severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, a friend or helper." (An-Nissa 4:171-173)The denial of Jesus?s divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary?s divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said to them. Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:"And when God said, ?O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, ?To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)Given that the Quran denies the Trinity and the son ship of Jesus, what, according to the Quran, was the real mission of Jesus? The answer is that Jesus was a link in a long chain of Prophets and Messengers sent by God to various nations and societies whenever they needed guidance or deviated from his teachings of Moses and other Messengers. As he was miraculously supported by numerous miracles to prove that he was a Messengers from God. However, the majority of the Jews rejected his ministry.In another verse of the Quran, Jesus confirmed the validity of the Torah which was revealed to Moses, and also conveyed he glad tidings of a final Messenger who follow him: "And when Jesus son of Mary said, ?Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tiding of a Messenger who shall be the praised one."(As-Saff 61:6)Note that "praised one" is a translation of "Ahmad" ? The Prophet Mohammed?s name. Careful study of the New Testament shows that Jesus refers to the same Prophet in John 14:16-17: "And I will give you another Counsellor (ThProphet Mohammed). To be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth."The usual explanation of this Prophecy is that the counsellor referred to is the Holy Spirit, but this explanation is excluded by a previous verse in John: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counsellor will not come to you."The characteristics of this counsellor, as can be derived from the prophecy, are that he will stay forever with the believers, he will glorify Jesus; and he will speak that he hears form God. All four characteristics apply to the Prophet Mohammed. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came with a universal and everlasting message, fulfilling the prophecy that the counsellor will stay forever with the faithful. He glorified Jesus as a great Prophet. The Quran attributes to Jesus miracles not mentioned in the Bible?s Old and New Testaments, as well as specific verses in the Quran show how the Prophet Mohammad is rejected by Jews and Christians out of prejudice and misunderstanding, rather that carefully study the Bible.It is a sad fact of history that not many are following the "straight path" to which people were called by Jesus. He was only followed by a few disciples inspired by God to support him. The non-believers plotted ? as they would against Mohammed, six centuries later ? to kill Jesus. But God had better plan for him and his followers, as the Quran tells us:"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said ?Who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, ?we are Gods helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. ?And they devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God said, ?Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else was crucified:"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, ?We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"?yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty?no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However, explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all His Messengers




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aquine On May 30, 2014
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#2New Post! Oct 15, 2009 @ 22:23:46
@anas Said

JESUS in the QURAN
The Islamic view Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jesus, who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the great prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham), Moses, and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with the Islamic view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God?s messengers.
The essence of Islam ? willing submission to the will of God ? was revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All following revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message, with some elaboration to define the revelation between man and God, man and man, man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among revealed religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major religions ? Judaism, Christianity, and Islam ? should not be an exception.Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs concerning him.


The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. When Mary became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel) appeared to her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the following dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran 3:45-47)In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us how Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when she brought the child home:"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, ?Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, ?Lo, I am God?s servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam 19:29-33)in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, ?Be, and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)The rejection of the very idea of God having a son is restated later in the same chapter with even stronger words: "And they say, The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced something hideous. As if the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder and its mountain to fall down in the utter ruin for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and behaves not the All-merciful to take a son. None there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-merciful as a servant" (Maryam 19:88-93)The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God?s sight is as Adam?s likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, ?Be? and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit ? as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus as the son of God. This is because GOD IS ONE. Three cannot be one. The Quran addresses Christians in the following verses from the Surrah entitled "An-Nisaa" (The Women)People of the Book, do not go beyond the bounds in your religion, and say nought as to God but the Truth. The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the messenger of God, and his word (Fulfilment of his word (Fulfilment of His command, through the word "Be", for the creation of Jesus) that he committed to Mary, and a spirit originating from Him (was given life by God). So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not ?Three?. Refrain, better is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to him-that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the Heavens and in the Earth; God suffices for a guardian.The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the Angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and walks proud, He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, we will pay them their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His bounty; as for them who disdain and walks proud, then He will punish with a severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, a friend or helper." (An-Nissa 4:171-173)The denial of Jesus?s divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary?s divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said to them. Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:"And when God said, ?O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, ?To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)Given that the Quran denies the Trinity and the son ship of Jesus, what, according to the Quran, was the real mission of Jesus? The answer is that Jesus was a link in a long chain of Prophets and Messengers sent by God to various nations and societies whenever they needed guidance or deviated from his teachings of Moses and other Messengers. As he was miraculously supported by numerous miracles to prove that he was a Messengers from God. However, the majority of the Jews rejected his ministry.In another verse of the Quran, Jesus confirmed the validity of the Torah which was revealed to Moses, and also conveyed he glad tidings of a final Messenger who follow him: "And when Jesus son of Mary said, ?Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tiding of a Messenger who shall be the praised one."(As-Saff 61:6)Note that "praised one" is a translation of "Ahmad" ? The Prophet Mohammed?s name. Careful study of the New Testament shows that Jesus refers to the same Prophet in John 14:16-17: "And I will give you another Counsellor (ThProphet Mohammed). To be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth."The usual explanation of this Prophecy is that the counsellor referred to is the Holy Spirit, but this explanation is excluded by a previous verse in John: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counsellor will not come to you."The characteristics of this counsellor, as can be derived from the prophecy, are that he will stay forever with the believers, he will glorify Jesus; and he will speak that he hears form God. All four characteristics apply to the Prophet Mohammed. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came six centuries after Jesus. He came with a universal and everlasting message, fulfilling the prophecy that the counsellor will stay forever with the faithful. He glorified Jesus as a great Prophet. The Quran attributes to Jesus miracles not mentioned in the Bible?s Old and New Testaments, as well as specific verses in the Quran show how the Prophet Mohammad is rejected by Jews and Christians out of prejudice and misunderstanding, rather that carefully study the Bible.It is a sad fact of history that not many are following the "straight path" to which people were called by Jesus. He was only followed by a few disciples inspired by God to support him. The non-believers plotted ? as they would against Mohammed, six centuries later ? to kill Jesus. But God had better plan for him and his followers, as the Quran tells us:"And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said ?Who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The apostles said, ?we are Gods helpers. We believe in God; so bear witness of our submission God, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness. ?And they devised, and God devised, and God devised, and God is the best of divisors. When God said, ?Jesus, I will take you to Me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you (of the falsehoods) of those who do not believe. I will make your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day."(Al-Imran 3:52-55)As the above verses indicate, Jesus was taken and raised to heaven. He was not crucified. It was certainly the plan of the enemies of Jesus to put him to death on the cross, but God saved him and someone else was crucified:"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, ?We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"?yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty?no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)The Quran does not explain who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, nor elaborate on the Second Coming of Jesus. However, explanators of the Quran have always interpreted the last verse of the above quotation to mean that Jesus will believe in him before he dies. This understanding is supported by authentic sayings (Hadith) of the Prophet Mohammed may the peace and blessings of Allah him and upon all His Messengers




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Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christ was and is the fulfillment of all prophecy.

That is why no more prophecy was required after Christ died and was then resurrected.

That is why Mohammed was simply a guy on a trip. A false prophet.


May the Lord have mercy.
Michael718 On March 16, 2010
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#3New Post! Oct 16, 2009 @ 15:27:12
I love folks who quote the bible literally to answer questions.

Despite thae fact most of it contradicts something else in there.

Oh, and that ITS MADE UP.
TheMightyOz On March 17, 2015
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Luton, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Oct 16, 2009 @ 15:30:10
I thought it said Jesus vs the Quorn at first. That'd be a good one for Harry Hill.
PhoenixNebula On February 25, 2010
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#5New Post! Oct 16, 2009 @ 15:37:27
I think posts should have a limit... my pubes would have turned grey by the time I've read that!
boxerdc On December 18, 2012

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#6New Post! Oct 16, 2009 @ 15:45:48
@PhoenixNebula Said

I think posts should have a limit... my pubes would have turned grey by the time I've read that!


I agree. I also think that copy and paste posts more than a paragraph long should be auto deleted by the system. There's no way that this post would have ever happened if she actually had to type all that in.
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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Toronto, Canada
#7New Post! Oct 19, 2009 @ 23:36:56
@Michael718 Said

I love folks who quote the bible literally to answer questions.

Despite thae fact most of it contradicts something else in there.

Oh, and that ITS MADE UP.



The Bible doesn't contradict itself. People who rip things out of context make the Bible appear to contradict itself.

I just finished spending 3 months with an atheist proving to him that the Bible doesn't contradict. He stills think it's all garbage, but now he agrees that the Bible is in perfect agreement with itself.

I can't prove to you that the Bible is true, but you won't be able to prove the Bible to contradict. If you would like to try, I encourage you to do so without ignoring context and genre.
hazuki0chan On July 18, 2012
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San Francisco, California
#8New Post! Oct 19, 2009 @ 23:41:33
@Salutations75 Said

The Bible doesn't contradict itself. People who rip things out of context make the Bible appear to contradict itself.

I just finished spending 3 months with an atheist proving to him that the Bible doesn't contradict. He stills think it's all garbage, but now he agrees that the Bible is in perfect agreement with itself.

I can't prove to you that the Bible is true, but you won't be able to prove the Bible to contradict. If you would like to try, I encourage you to do so without ignoring context and genre.



Here's something that does contradict itself that's in your spell book.

"Abraham, you must kill your son, Isaac!"

Commendment 6: You shall not kill.

well, obvious logic there.

According to your jibber jabber, killing is a capital sin, yet your all glorious and miraculous god orders a zombie to kill his son.

Doesn't that sound a little too heartless for your god to say?
jmo On February 19, 2017
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#9New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:10:37
@aquine Said


That is why Mohammed was simply a guy on a trip. A false prophet.



What makes the quote you gave from the Bible more true than the quotes given from the Qu'ran?
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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#10New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:15:11
@Hazuki0chan Said

Here's something that does contradict itself that's in your spell book.

"Abraham, you must kill your son, Isaac!"

Commendment 6: You shall not kill.

well, obvious logic there.

According to your jibber jabber, killing is a capital sin, yet your all glorious and miraculous god orders a zombie to kill his son.

Doesn't that sound a little too heartless for your god to say?


1) The commandment is "Do not murder", lest you should think that people defending themselves and having to kill their attacker is against a commandment. And no I am not trying to say Abraham was defending himself.

2) I think we can do without you making up random names like "Zombie" for people, don't you?

3) The Commandment "You shall not murder" comes 530 years after Abraham, so Abraham had no such commandment. Secondly, God never intended for Isaac to die but only for Abraham's faith to be displayed. You're getting the chronological order of things all mixed up. God did not command anyone to do this after He gave the commandments, for God does not contradict Himelf. And no, it is not a contradiction for God to tell someone to do something and then stop them, and then create a Law 530 years later about not doing that action. It's a little bit simple-minded to say that God was contradicting Himself when clearly Isaac didn't die, wouldn't you say?
jmo On February 19, 2017
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:20:00
@Salutations75 Said

The Bible doesn't contradict itself. People who rip things out of context make the Bible appear to contradict itself.

I just finished spending 3 months with an atheist proving to him that the Bible doesn't contradict. He stills think it's all garbage, but now he agrees that the Bible is in perfect agreement with itself.

I can't prove to you that the Bible is true, but you won't be able to prove the Bible to contradict. If you would like to try, I encourage you to do so without ignoring context and genre.



The Bible contradicts itself time and time again. There are two types of people who don't think it does; those who have not read it and those who decide to take parts of it metaphorically and parts of it literally seemingly jumping without reason from one stance to another depending on the point given.

God almost definitely doesn't exist, it's almost offensive to metaphysics that so many people still believe in God.
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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#12New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:21:09
@jmo Said

What makes the quote you gave from the Bible more true than the quotes given from the Qu'ran?



1) The Qu'ran claims to be a continuation of the Old and New Testaments, however it is completely divorced from all theological constructs.

2) The Bible brought itself to a close, a further revelation doesn't fit in.

It's like me writing another addition to the Lord of the Rings, and starting from a point that is completely divorced from the original story - but I use the same character names. Suddenly Sauron isn't dead, Gandalf is evil, Bilbo can fly, and I have no explanation for any of these changes - they're just there and you need to accept them. Oh, and there are no rings, they're pretzels now.
Salutations75 On November 24, 2009

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#13New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:23:54
@jmo Said

The Bible contradicts itself time and time again. There are two types of people who don't think it does; those who have not read it and those who decide to take parts of it metaphorically and parts of it literally seemingly jumping without reason from one stance to another depending on the point given.

God almost definitely doesn't exist, it's almost offensive to metaphysics that so many people still believe in God.



I notice you're avoiding my challenge.
It's easy to say "The Bible contradicts" and then run away when proof is asked for.

The only people who say the Bible contradicts are people who don't know what words like "context" or "chronology" or "genre" mean.

I read the Bible every day and have read the entirety of it many times, and as a student of scripture I assure you that as long as you pay attention to basic concepts such as: context, chronology and genre, the Bible doesn't contradict. But if you hate things like context, chronology and genre, then every book you read is a bunch of nonsense.
jmo On February 19, 2017
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#14New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:26:21
@Salutations75 Said

1) The Qu'ran claims to be a continuation of the Old and New Testaments, however it is completely divorced from all theological constructs.

2) The Bible brought itself to a close, a further revelation doesn't fit in.

It's like me writing another addition to the Lord of the Rings, and starting from a point that is completely divorced from the original story - but I use the same character names. Suddenly Sauron isn't dead, Gandalf is evil, Bilbo can fly, and I have no explanation for any of these changes - they're just there and you need to accept them. Oh, and there are no rings, they're pretzels now.


First off the Qur'an claims no such thing. It claims to be a moral and religious text which uses similar themes to those expressed in previous religious texts.

Your second point quite frankly has nothing to do with the point I made.

The simple truth is nothing written in either the bible or the qur'an can be used as evidence for itself. Thats like me quoting this post for proof in something I have posted.
davii On January 14, 2013
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#15New Post! Oct 20, 2009 @ 00:27:30
Never thought much of the Abrahamic Trilogy. Hope the Prequels are better than the Star Wars ones though...
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