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politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#76New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:06:55
The point i was trying to make is that there is a reason why Hamas was elected and supported by the Palestinian people.

Gaza was under attack from Israel constantly including Israeli terror, this is expected from a colonial power but not acceptable in today's world. What i meant is you must read around the subject to understand why Palestinians would want to elect a group like Hamas? this is one of the reasons.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/03/israel

If you don't want to read then watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8q-63jtQGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyjvJCHM14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQXecLyureE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo

This is how colonial powers act and behave and this is why Hamas are now the elected governement of Gaza it is obvious who must change first.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#77New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:15:33
@politics Said

The point i was trying to make is that there is a reason why Hamas was elected and supported by the Palestinian people.

Gaza was under attack from Israel constantly including Israeli terror, this is expected from a colonial power but not acceptable in today's world. What i meant is you must read around the subject to understand why Palestinians would want to elect a group like Hamas? this is one of the reasons.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/03/israel

If you don't want to read then watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8q-63jtQGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyjvJCHM14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQXecLyureE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo

This is how colonial powers act and behave and this is why Hamas are now the elected governement of Gaza it is obvious who must change first.


You still have not answered my question.

Just because Hamas was elected does not mean it has its citizens best interests at heart. Look at the U.S. Bush was elected twice but most people did not think he represented them.

Palestinians were tired of Fatah's corruption. I think that is a major reason for Hamas to be elected. Anyway, how can Hamas be democratic when its blatantly executing Fatah members as "spies"?
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#78New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:23:04
i dont think you looked at any of the links did you? Hamas is a failed government however how did a fail government a terrorist organisation get democraticly elected? i beg you to watch the links i picked out for you .
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#79New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:26:15
@politics Said

i dont think you looked at any of the links did you? Hamas is a failed government however how did a fail government a terrorist organisation get democraticly elected? i beg you to watch the links i picked out for you .



Sorry, I don't have flash or sound on this computer. I read the sonic boom article but I doubt that had a major impact on Hamas being elected...
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#80New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:29:43
well then you are missing out on a man who is paralised because of his detention, a man whos bones were broken because four israelis beat him with a rock and a man who was blind folded and shot at point blank range and finally farmers being shot at for no reason.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#81New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:33:38
I'll check it out when I get home.
Carreragt2 On June 15, 2009

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#82New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:39:43
Here's what I think is really confusing If the people of gaza are Palestinian then there has to be a land called Palestine and that I beleive is also not recognized in the international committe or is it?
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#83New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:50:33
well the international community refer to the people as Palestinians, the land before Israel was geographicly referred to as Palestine (on maps and by the international comunity)

Just Because they were displaced and expelled from there land by means such as Zionist terrorism in the 1940s, are they not still the people they once were? or do they become unknowns?

If those people refer to themselves as Palestinians are they not Palestinians?

The international community refers to the territory that the refugees and original inhabitants occupy as Palestinian territory's.

Many Palestinians still hold the keys to there houses that are now occupied by Israeli settlers.
If we strip these people from there identity it will be forgotten that they once lived peaceful lives in a land that 50 years ago was called Palestine. And it is of great primacy that they retrieve that peace and freedoms, whilst also regaining there identity which is illegally being suppressed.
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#84New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 05:51:51
@Asme251 Said

I'll check it out when I get home.



I really hope you do, it will make you think twice i promise, the first time i saw such images i cried. Its a very dark but benign narrative. Every suicide bomb attack or every rocket fired at southern Israel is documented , however the every day life of a Palestinian in Gaza is unknown to the international community and never explored only acknowledged.

I hope the videos i found will allow people to explore the potential horrors for a innocent new born in the territory known as Gaza. And explain why so many end up in extremism at such a early age. There social degradation, economic strangulation can only be labelled as inhumane.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#85New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:40:24
I watched them (still without sound). Sure its sad but that's just more incentive for Hamas to reverse its policy. As long as Hamas continues to use acts of violence, Israel would feel justified in preforming those acts. Why doesn't Hamas clean up its act and move on with diplomacy?
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#86New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:45:07
@Asme251 Said

I watched them (still without sound). Sure its sad but that's just more incentive for Hamas to reverse its policy. As long as Hamas continues to use acts of violence, Israel would feel justified in preforming those acts. Why doesn't Hamas clean up its act and move on with diplomacy?


they committed these acts before Hamas came to power , these atrocities have been going on since Israel's creation in 1948, Hamas is the result.

As you know i agree that diplomacy is the only way forward however Hamas is rejected from the diplomatic scene because they are " terrorists " in other words they are trapped as terrorists they are forbidden to be talked to. In a sense they are not allowed to reverse there policy , Israel controls the pace and narative of this conflict, or atleast the narative that you will recieve.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#87New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:46:45
@politics Said

they committed these acts before Hamas came to power , these atrocities have been going on since Israel's creation in 1948, Hamas is the result.

As you know i agree that diplomacy is the only way forward however Hamas is rejected from the diplomatic scene because they are " terrorists " in other words they are trapped as terrorists they are forbidden to be talked to. In a sense they are not allowed to reverse there policy , Israel controls the pace and narative of this conflict, or atleast the narative that you will recieve.



Well that may be because they were founded in the 1980's on the principle of destroying Israel.... kinda seems like terrorism to me...
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#88New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:49:33
Yes they decided to enter the political scene but were rejected.

Israel were once recognised by the international community as religious terrorists however they were allowed to change.

Hamas is not allowed to change, if they asked to talk to Israel , Israel would say no.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
Area Man





Boston, Massachusetts
#89New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:52:07
@politics Said

Yes they decided to enter the political scene but were rejected.

Israel were once recognised by the international community as religious terrorists however they were allowed to change.

Hamas is not allowed to change, if they asked to talk to Israel , Israel would say no.



Yes, they changed. Until they renounce their founding principles, Hamas will not change, even if they were given the opportunity.
politics On September 10, 2013




London`, United Kingdom
#90New Post! Feb 14, 2009 @ 06:55:37
im sorry if you feel it ill mannered of me to respond with a question but

do you consider the videos you watched as terrorism ? if not why?

There founding principles can not change when they are rejected from the political scene.

when they make a cease fire agreement and it is violated by Israel and a war for its destruction takes place.
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