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GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 20:31:11
Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?

Nothing that I know of, other than personal renderings or hear say, has ever been produced or provide to show the existence of a supernatural realm or entities. The ancients did not seem to think the supernatural was a reality. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

No entity, good or evil, have ever manifested itself in a provable way, even though some think god is Omni-present and that Satan was given the ability and power to deceive us all.

I think that those who believe in supernatural entities are being taken advantage of by fraudulent preachers who recognize our propensity of over imagination, which we all have, as shown in the Princess Alice experiments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWx_uVDh4Cw

I can see some benefits in imaginary thinking to validate or refute ideas but that is about it.

Is belief or faith in the supernatural a worthy idea for us or is it a tool used by lying preachers intent on fleecing sheeple?

If there is no supernatural god, should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide instead of idolizing imaginary supernatural gods that are demonstrably less moral than humans?

Regards
DL
mrmhead On about 15 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Jun 23, 2019 @ 16:40:52
@GreatestIam2 Said

Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?

Nothing that I know of, other than personal renderings or hear say, has ever been produced or provide to show the existence of a supernatural realm or entities. The ancients did not seem to think the supernatural was a reality. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

No entity, good or evil, have ever manifested itself in a provable way, even though some think god is Omni-present and that Satan was given the ability and power to deceive us all.

I think that those who believe in supernatural entities are being taken advantage of by fraudulent preachers who recognize our propensity of over imagination, which we all have, as shown in the Princess Alice experiments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWx_uVDh4Cw

I can see some benefits in imaginary thinking to validate or refute ideas but that is about it.

Is belief or faith in the supernatural a worthy idea for us or is it a tool used by lying preachers intent on fleecing sheeple?

If there is no supernatural god, should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide instead of idolizing imaginary supernatural gods that are demonstrably less moral than humans?

Regards
DL


I've been mulling this over ....
Belief in the supernatural does not necessitate the idolization of any said supernatural entity.

I think your question, based on your additional comments, might be more along the lines of:

Do certain people or institutions try to take advantage of (make game of) a persons belief in the supernatural?

To that I would say yes. It's easy to rule the ignorant and gullible. (aka the more intelligent are the rulers)


To me - "supernatural" is just something beyond current understanding, or explanation.
Yes, I believe there are things we don't know.

To focus it on religious God and Satan - Well, I would not dismiss that there are greater entities out there, but I don't believe any book or institution has the full, correct explanation of those things.
darkman666 On about 2 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#3New Post! Jun 23, 2019 @ 17:35:19
I was thinking about the supernatural, it is a form of illusion. if you plant a idea in someone's idea, and give the idea in certain light or atmosphere for the idea to grow in your mind. it does happen your mind has to decide weather, it was real or not!
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#4New Post! Jun 23, 2019 @ 22:53:48
The definition of "supernatural" might be the issue... at least for me... but I'm a bit obsessed with definitions.

Anyway....

We are living in an infinite universe, or at least virtually infinite from our limited perspective.

So, the idea that there are things that are unexplainable... unknowable... things far beyond our limited understanding... things "supernatural"... is an absolute certainty.

Are there beings... "life" forces... sentient "things" out "there" that we (who have less ability to perceive than insects)...?

The answer is: Yes. There are "supernatural" things in our world and universe.

"We" have given the concept of those things a variety of names... spirits, angels, demons, "aliens", men in black, gods....

"They" might be part of our collective unconscious... or myths... or real phenomena that "we" are not advanced enough to fully and correctly perceive.
gakINGKONG On 18 minutes ago




Okinawa, Japan
#5New Post! Jun 24, 2019 @ 03:22:27
"Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person's game?"

I take that question to mean:

"Are people who believe in the supernatural intelligent?"

There are people who believe in the supernatural. Some are smarter than others. Some people who believe in the supernatural are very intelligent.

There's that one guy Isaac Newton. He was okay smart . . . almost as smart as Hannah Montana.
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#6New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 17:49:56
@mrmhead Said

I've been mulling this over ....
Belief in the supernatural does not necessitate the idolization of any said supernatural entity.

I think your question, based on your additional comments, might be more along the lines of:

Do certain people or institutions try to take advantage of (make game of) a persons belief in the supernatural?

To that I would say yes. It's easy to rule the ignorant and gullible. (aka the more intelligent are the rulers)


To me - "supernatural" is just something beyond current understanding, or explanation.
Yes, I believe there are things we don't know.

To focus it on religious God and Satan - Well, I would not dismiss that there are greater entities out there, but I don't believe any book or institution has the full, correct explanation of those things.


Not dismissing is not like having faith or belief in them. Good for you.

I agree with your view of the abuse the intelligent con men perpetrate against those who fall for their con game.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#7New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 18:00:48
@darkman666 Said

I was thinking about the supernatural, it is a form of illusion. if you plant a idea in someone's idea, and give the idea in certain light or atmosphere for the idea to grow in your mind. it does happen your mind has to decide weather, it was real or not!


True, but it also depends on age and I see the implanting of lies to be abuse when it comes to the young, as shown in the Princess Alice link.

The religious brainwash their children.

Regards
DL
Electric_Banana On July 14, 2019




, New Zealand
#8New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 18:52:53
@GreatestIam2 Said

Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?

Nothing that I know of, other than personal renderings or hear say, has ever been produced or provide to show the existence of a supernatural realm or entities. The ancients did not seem to think the supernatural was a reality. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

No entity, good or evil, have ever manifested itself in a provable way, even though some think god is Omni-present and that Satan was given the ability and power to deceive us all.

I think that those who believe in supernatural entities are being taken advantage of by fraudulent preachers who recognize our propensity of over imagination, which we all have, as shown in the Princess Alice experiments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWx_uVDh4Cw

I can see some benefits in imaginary thinking to validate or refute ideas but that is about it.

Is belief or faith in the supernatural a worthy idea for us or is it a tool used by lying preachers intent on fleecing sheeple?

If there is no supernatural god, should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide instead of idolizing imaginary supernatural gods that are demonstrably less moral than humans?

Regards
DL



My crazy is that I believe in telepathy (mind-sharing)
My skeptic is that I don't believe in the afterlife I will be concerned enough with what I left behind here to spend eons hovering around the same spot guarding it

So how do I explain ghosts?

Crossed wires with someone hearing and viewing that phenomena, in real time, who you've accidentally telepathically connected with.

Like holding your two index fingers together in front of your eyes you get a ghostly floating finger - using that same notion imagine my wife walks past me at my place but while sitting at yours you have partially opaque visage of a women drift pass your view.

Now, while still accidentally connected to me, I shout a vulgarity at something I am watching on TV however it transmits to you seeming as some demon shouting that vulgarity at you.

I believe our bodies and this world were manufactured but I don't believe that who manufactured them is the wisest and most considerate intelligence there is in the universe otherwise I wouldn't know better enough to criticise the designers of our world for their inhumane lack of ethics upon making this existence a tangible reality.
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#9New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 19:56:58
@chaski Said

The definition of "supernatural" might be the issue... at least for me... but I'm a bit obsessed with definitions.

Anyway....

We are living in an infinite universe, or at least virtually infinite from our limited perspective.

So, the idea that there are things that are unexplainable... unknowable... things far beyond our limited understanding... things "supernatural"... is an absolute certainty.

Are there beings... "life" forces... sentient "things" out "there" that we (who have less ability to perceive than insects)...?

The answer is: Yes. There are "supernatural" things in our world and universe.

"We" have given the concept of those things a variety of names... spirits, angels, demons, "aliens", men in black, gods....

"They" might be part of our collective unconscious... or myths... or real phenomena that "we" are not advanced enough to fully and correctly perceive.


Your answer of yes, which indicates certainty, is belied by the lack of evidence, and that makes all speculation just speculative nonsense.

The ancient religions. including Christianity, did not believe in the unknowable god or even if some supernatural realm existed.

The intelligentsia of that day thought Christianity was stupid when it began to read their myths literally and began killing for their stupid faith and beliefs.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#10New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 20:00:51
@gakINGKONG Said

"Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person's game?"

I take that question to mean:

"Are people who believe in the supernatural intelligent?"

There are people who believe in the supernatural. Some are smarter than others. Some people who believe in the supernatural are very intelligent.

There's that one guy Isaac Newton. He was okay smart . . . almost as smart as Hannah Montana.


There are indeed educated people who believe by faith.

I see intelligence as the ability to get educated and smart as the ability to use what one is educated in well.

Belief in the supernatural is not using what ones has learned well and is not a smart thing to do.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#11New Post! Jun 27, 2019 @ 20:05:19
@Electric_Banana Said

My crazy is that I believe in telepathy (mind-sharing)
My skeptic is that I don't believe in the afterlife I will be concerned enough with what I left behind here to spend eons hovering around the same spot guarding it

So how do I explain ghosts?

Crossed wires with someone hearing and viewing that phenomena, in real time, who you've accidentally telepathically connected with.

Like holding your two index fingers together in front of your eyes you get a ghostly floating finger - using that same notion imagine my wife walks past me at my place but while sitting at yours you have partially opaque visage of a women drift pass your view.

Now, while still accidentally connected to me, I shout a vulgarity at something I am watching on TV however it transmits to you seeming as some demon shouting that vulgarity at you.

I believe our bodies and this world were manufactured but I don't believe that who manufactured them is the wisest and most considerate intelligence there is in the universe otherwise I wouldn't know better enough to criticise the designers of our world for their inhumane lack of ethics upon making this existence a tangible reality.


Rather like believing in intelligent design, while thinking the designer is an idiot.

We Gnostic Christians see reality as evolving perfection.

Let me go long here.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
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The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.
The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
-----------
The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#12New Post! Jun 28, 2019 @ 00:18:41
@GreatestIam2 Said

Your answer of yes, which indicates certainty, is belied by the lack of evidence, and that makes all speculation just speculative nonsense.


If you are referring to my statement:

"Are there beings... "life" forces... sentient "things" out "there" that we (who have less ability to perceive than insects)...? The answer is: Yes. There are "supernatural" things in our world and universe."

Then you are in fact wrong that it is "speculative nonsense".

There was a time when people did not believe in things like bacteria and viruses, simply because they could not "see" them. There was a time when bacteria and viruses were held in the realm of "supernatural".

I suspect that you are limiting your views based on your opinion about what exactly the word "supernatural" means, but I don't know for sure.
GreatestIam2 On July 14, 2019




Ottawa, Canada
#13New Post! Jun 28, 2019 @ 13:01:14
I know that the definition people use has caused them to honor a genocidal son murderer.

That should be good enough to have people reject such idiocy all together.

Regards
DL
mrmhead On about 15 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#14New Post! Jun 29, 2019 @ 13:51:46
@Electric_Banana Said

My crazy is that I believe in telepathy (mind-sharing)
My skeptic is that I don't believe in the afterlife I will be concerned enough with what I left behind here to spend eons hovering around the same spot guarding it

So how do I explain ghosts?

Crossed wires with someone hearing and viewing that phenomena, in real time, who you've accidentally telepathically connected with.

Like holding your two index fingers together in front of your eyes you get a ghostly floating finger - using that same notion imagine my wife walks past me at my place but while sitting at yours you have partially opaque visage of a women drift pass your view.

Now, while still accidentally connected to me, I shout a vulgarity at something I am watching on TV however it transmits to you seeming as some demon shouting that vulgarity at you.

I believe our bodies and this world were manufactured but I don't believe that who manufactured them is the wisest and most considerate intelligence there is in the universe otherwise I wouldn't know better enough to criticise the designers of our world for their inhumane lack of ethics upon making this existence a tangible reality.


"Ghosts are telepathic receptions" - Interesting!

What if the "others" are from a different, parallel universe/existence/game?
Such as in the old days of cheap magnetic tape, a strong signal on one section can bleed and imprint on another when wound on the reel.
chaski On about 10 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#15New Post! Jun 29, 2019 @ 15:00:51
We are all part of a game being played by some higher beings, who are part of a game being played by some even higher beings, who are part of a game being played by still higher beings... at each level the higher beings periodically insert themselves into the lower levels of the game (as spirits, ghosts, demons, angels, gods... aliens, MIB...) in order to control and f__k with the characters at each level of the game.

This leaves us with many questions....

1. Do we characters as the lowest level of the game have consciousness?

2. Did the higher level players of the game know/plan our "us" developing this consciousness?

3. If "we" have consciousness, can "we" rise up through the game or are we stuck at this lower level doomed to being manipulated by the higher players in the game?

4. Or is our consciousness nothing more than the roll play of the higher players of the games?

And.....

5. How high up.... how many layers above "us" does the game go?


Oh... and let's not forget free will... do we at the lowest rung of the game then actually have free will?
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