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MisterX On December 20, 2017




Saint Petersburg,
#1New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 18:57:14
1. This is pretty simple: is there one, a Heaven or Hell?
2. Are there people in each place?
3. Is Heaven good and Hell bad?

I know that it has been asked ad infinitum, but I am asking it again.
It is an article of your faith. no matter whether you answer yes or no.
chaski On about 2 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#2New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 19:20:13
@MisterX Said

1. This is pretty simple: is there one, a Heaven or Hell?


A heaven or a hell? Not both? Not very biblical, but yet another interesting perspective.

@MisterX Said

3. Is Heaven good and Hell bad?


Can you describe a version of heaven that wouldn't quickly turn out to be hell?
Erimitus On about 2 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#3New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 19:42:21
@MisterX Said

1. This is pretty simple:
2.
3.

I know that it has been asked ad infinitum, but I am asking it again.
It is an article of your faith. no matter whether you answer yes or no.




X: Is there a Heaven [and] Hell?

E: No.

X: Are there people in each place?

E: No.

X: Is Heaven good and Hell bad?

E: heaven (by definition is good

E: Hell by definition is bad.

E: I will Google and see if I can find a better definition.

Note: I like to upload pictures and I can not. It may be purgatorial but definitely not hell. Hell (by definition is eternal) and I believe that someday a savior will come and explain to me what I am doing wrong. I repent.
a777pilot On November 24, 2018




, Texas
#4New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 19:51:21
We will all find out soon enough.
twilitezone911 On December 03, 2018




Saint Louis, Missouri
#5New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 21:01:33
i always think there is no real places like heaven and hell. these two places are in the state of your mind only.

nobody exactly seen god before, we only feel there is something above us that more powerful than we are. something create everything around us and above us.

do we know it is one or more one thing doing this work?
Erimitus On about 2 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#6New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 21:32:31
C: Can you describe a version of heaven that wouldn't quickly turn out to be hell?


E: Heaven (as I define it) is eternal beatitudeness Bliss.
Erimitus On about 2 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#7New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 21:50:40
TZ: i always think there is no real places like heaven and hell. these two places are in the state of your mind only.

E: Yes. A state of mind or a state of being

TZ: nobody exactly seen god before,

E: I saw a burning bush once. It didn’t say anything; but you never know.


TZ: we only feel there is something above us that more powerful than we are. something create everything around us and above us.

E: In my philosophy the mind creates every-thing that I experience. I suppose it could create a heaven or hell if I believed it.

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour. <<Blake>>

TZ: do we know it is one or more one thing doing this work?

E: I am not sure that is knowable. In my philosophy there is the ONE and from the ONE there is the two, from the two there is the three and from the three there is all things. (Your basic theosophical trinity) Sometimes labeled mind, body and spirit or the process of knowing, that which is known, and the knower.
chaski On about 2 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#8New Post! Nov 25, 2017 @ 22:57:34
1. Well... Hell is in Michigan: Hell, Michigan, USA 48169. Roughly 266 people live there, though I expense many more visit.

Of course Hell Hole (as in Hell Hole Swamp) is in South Carolina. And Mount Hekla (a volcano in Iceland) is one of the seven Gateways to Hell.

A portal from Iceland to Michigan is kind of cool... 4th dimension or something....

I think there are 4 or 5 other places on earth called Hell and many people claim to be living in hell.

Now Heaven... I don't think there is a Heaven.... can't seem to find it anywhere on a map... If it isn't there, or here, or anywhere, than no one can be there... unless this is all one of Erimitus' tricksy philosophic questions.
Ratty On November 23, 2018




So Cal, California
#9New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 01:02:24
This stuff is all unknowable at the end of the day, to trot out a trite saying. I'm pretty agnostic in how I approach this whole thing.
Erimitus On about 2 hours ago




The mind of God, Antarctica
#10New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 01:39:52
@Ratty Said

This stuff is all unknowable at the end of the day, to trot out a trite saying. I'm pretty agnostic in how I approach this whole thing.



A devout agnostic
chaski On about 2 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#11New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 02:52:19
@Ratty Said

I'm pretty agnostic in how I approach this whole thing.


@Erimitus Said

A devout agnostic


Disclaimer: Sorry to bother you Ratty, but I'm a d*** and such is life.

Comment: Agnostic is probably the most truthful and logical answer....at least that most people can honestly give.

Granted is no doubt ( <<< little pun there ) that there are many who are so confident in their "beliefs" that "agnostic" would not be the correct answer.

None the less, I suspect that (at least in the Abrahamic religions as well as with alleged atheists) the vast majority have at least a light misting of doubt (if I were god I would expect this and not punish it... on the other hand if I were god... well things would go very poorly much faster for some people... ).

On the other hand, I suspect that nearly everyone actually believes (especially in times of trouble) that there is some greater godlike thing/power/source/energy out there... something more than just us.... at a minimum some undefined force (please for give the Star Wars like reference... )

How can there not be?

How can there be nothing?

Life>>> death>>> then nothing... no purpose... no value... no meaning...

Of course I (Chaski) have no doubts. The word agnostic doesn't work for me. If I were a christian monk I could easily claim full adherence to the Philokalia...and all the thought and knowledge that feeds it. Except, as stated many times here on TFS, I view the entire Abrahamic religion(s) thing as myth.

None the less, the sky exists, the earth exists, life is, energy is... at an atomic level our atoms are eternal, thus we are eternal... this we know.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction (is that karma ?)... we know this.

...etc...

Perhaps we know more than the idea of agnostic represents... maybe.

Anyway... back to my no doubts (not the band)... I have no doubts. The Great Sky God is; The Mother Earth is; and (metaphorically) the Cave Bear is.

Heaven is a bizarre myth... it is the carrot.

Hell is a bizarre myth... it is the stick.

However god... though not the god of Abraham... is...

The definition of god is all that is in question.... but I can assure you that god doesn't care what your definition of god is.

----------------------------------------------------

And that my fellow posters is what happens when you start drinking brandy and decide to write philosophic mumbo-jumbo.
twilitezone911 On December 03, 2018




Saint Louis, Missouri
#12New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 04:35:40
@Erimitus Said

TZ: i always think there is no real places like heaven and hell. these two places are in the state of your mind only.

E: Yes. A state of mind or a state of being

TZ: nobody exactly seen god before,

E: I saw a burning bush once. It didn’t say anything; but you never know.


TZ: we only feel there is something above us that more powerful than we are. something create everything around us and above us.

E: In my philosophy the mind creates every-thing that I experience. I suppose it could create a heaven or hell if I believed it.

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour. <<Blake>>

TZ: do we know it is one or more one thing doing this work?

E: I am not sure that is knowable. In my philosophy there is the ONE and from the ONE there is the two, from the two there is the three and from the three there is all things. (Your basic theosophical trinity) Sometimes labeled mind, body and spirit or the process of knowing, that which is known, and the knower.



E: I am not sure that is knowable. In my philosophy there is the ONE and from the ONE there is the two, from the two there is the three and from the three there is all things. (Your basic theosophical trinity) Sometimes labeled mind, body and spirit or the process of knowing, that which is known, and the knower.


trinity, that at what i was thinking before that man's comcept by the bible. if man believes that god is everywhere. than god has no body, we don't know that god has a brain or body or even spirit.

what is god? we label him or what it is as our god. even said he is our creator. who or what create god, who is god's creator?

could knowledge be more that learning that doesn't grow into nothing? what if god is the process of starting a single cell that couldn't grow. the dead single cell accidently to breathe for the first time.

that same moment, god did die. but now, god and the single cell were two separate beings. what the single cell is not reproduce that we think god's does?

here is a food of thought:

why we can't see god or why god can't physical touch or communicate with us?

whatever or whoever, created god. god did what adam did he banished god from eden?

what god punish is never be visible touch or be able to communicate with any of his creations.

what if god's scarfice that he created life is to be invisiblle to all for
eternity?
gakINGKONG On about 2 hours ago




Lutz, Florida
#13New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 17:05:00
1 yes 2 yes 3 yes
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#14New Post! Nov 26, 2017 @ 22:42:11
1. This is pretty simple: is there one, a Heaven or Hell?

yes.
both


2. Are there people in each place?

beings in both


3. Is Heaven good and Hell bad?

was a time the gift of life was better.
Heaven is with God
Hell is a earth with your kind.
Eaglebauer On about 8 hours ago
FOSSOR SAPIENS

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Saint Louis, Missouri
#15New Post! Nov 27, 2017 @ 12:58:40
Sartre once said that hell is spending eternity in a room with all of your own friends.

Of course, all of his friends were French. So....
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