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4d4m On about 2 hours ago




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#1New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 14:08:32
Tomorrow there is a protest planned in Richmond VA . What is unique about this protest is that it is an armed one, as it protesting Gun Control Laws . The inherent problem in having all those armed citizens around is it only takes one person to lose their cool, or one Agent De Provocateur, to create an act of gun violence to really screw this up. By screw it up I mean screw it up in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
Politicians know they don't have to use logic to get the votes they want That is why they present their cases on a juvenille level.

That is why they label all 2nd Ammendment supporters racist

They have succeeded in getting their Red Flag Confiscation Laws passed in this manner

We know from Waco Texas that the Federal Government and the press can label people racist who aren't. and a lot of America will believe them

Instead of damning the US and it's future generations to the possiblity of Tyranny with no means of resistance. POLICE YOURSELVES and maybe leave your rounds at home
gakINGKONG On about 24 hours ago




, Florida
#2New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 15:02:18
@4d4m Said

Tomorrow there is a protest planned in Richmond VA . What is unique about this protest is that it is an armed one, as it protesting Gun Control Laws . The inherent problem in having all those armed citizens around is it only takes one person to lose their cool, or one Agent De Provocateur, to create an act of gun violence to really screw this up. By screw it up I mean screw it up in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
Politicians know they don't have to use logic to get the votes they want That is why they present their cases on a juvenille level.

That is why they label all 2nd Ammendment supporters racist

They have succeeded in getting their Red Flag Confiscation Laws passed in this manner

We know from Waco Texas that the Federal Government and the press can label people racist who aren't. and a lot of America will believe them

Instead of damning the US and it's future generations to the possiblity of Tyranny with no means of resistance. POLICE YOURSELVES and maybe leave your rounds at home



Self-governance is a prerequisite for the current US Constitution. If the citizenry can't govern themselves, the Constitution won't work.
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#3New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 16:48:31
@4d4m Said

Tomorrow there is a protest planned in Richmond VA . What is unique about this protest is that it is an armed one, as it protesting Gun Control Laws . The inherent problem in having all those armed citizens around is it only takes one person to lose their cool, or one Agent De Provocateur, to create an act of gun violence to really screw this up. By screw it up I mean screw it up in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
Politicians know they don't have to use logic to get the votes they want That is why they present their cases on a juvenille level.

That is why they label all 2nd Ammendment supporters racist

They have succeeded in getting their Red Flag Confiscation Laws passed in this manner

We know from Waco Texas that the Federal Government and the press can label people racist who aren't. and a lot of America will believe them

Instead of damning the US and it's future generations to the possiblity of Tyranny with no means of resistance. POLICE YOURSELVES and maybe leave your rounds at home



Interesting points. While they were armed, it was still a peaceful protest was it not?
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#4New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 17:04:05
@4d4m Said

We know from Waco Texas that the Federal Government and the press can label people racist who aren't. and a lot of America will believe them


Waco Texas as in David Koresh and the Branch Davidians?

That incident was not about racists nor about racism.
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#5New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 17:16:15
Interesting factoids:

1. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was founded on July 1, 1972, United States under a Republican president.

2. The United States Department of Homeland Security was founded on November 25, 2002 under a Republican president.

3. The investigation of David Karesh and the Branch Davidians was done almost entirely under a Republican president; Bush. (Clinton had only been in office a month when the Waco siege started.)

> Now If the federal government wanted to “take away our guns”, these two agencies would be at the core of the effort.

And yet somehow it’s the evil liberal Democrats that gun owners are afraid of....

4d4m On about 2 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#6New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 17:33:30
That's a very good point. That and having a huge gathering of armed protesters in the state capital seems like a recipe for disaster. So who's idea was it? Is this intentional sabotage from their own leadership?

Waco wasn't about racism but the press tried to paint the Davidians out to be racist.
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#7New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 17:42:00
Oh...

And the heads of both the ATF & the FBI at the time were appointed by Bush...

Yes Reno was the AG and appointed by Clinton, but she had only been in place for about 15 days when the Waco Siege started.

etc...
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#8New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 17:44:20
@4d4m Said


Waco wasn't about racism but the press tried to paint the Davidians out to be racist.



They may or may not have been... but the real point was that they were religious extremists who violated U.S. laws.

And, YES: The ATF & FBI f__ked that one up.
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#9New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 18:04:49
@4d4m Said


Instead of damning the US and it's future generations to the possiblity of Tyranny with no means of resistance. POLICE YOURSELVES and maybe leave your rounds at home





Actually the 2nd Amendment is in no danger of being either repealed nor undermined.

This is a red herring used by the NRA and the Republican Party.

1. The NRA uses it to boost firearms and ammunition sales. We saw the work under the Obama Administrations. Firearms and ammunitions sales were at an all time high, while the Republican Party controlled the H.R. and Senate (i.e. there wasn't literally zero chance of the 2nd Amendment being repealed, and literally zero chance of any anti-firearms legistlaion being passed).

2. The Republican Party uses this bulls*** argument to create a level of fear in the gullible, dumb and willfully ignorant in an effort to dupe them into hating the Democratic party. Meanwhile the Republican party keeps creating the vary agencies that they claim to hate (EPA, ATF and Homeland Security to name three... one might wonder what the real purpose of the Space Force is...? Control civilian satellites...i.e. communications...?). Then the Republicans push for war to boost the Defense Industry and (as a spinoff) firearms sales >>> to line their pockets with cash.

3. Even if somehow the 2nd Amendment was repealed and the Federal government came for our firearms (which would necessarily be run by the ATF and Homeland Defense) there is not enough manpower (i.e. federal employees in total) in the U.D. government to do this... the logistics would literally impossible...

4. In addition, there wouldn't be enough state/local law enforcement supporting an effort to seize everyones firearms.. the collapse of the USA as we know it is a more likely possibility than the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
Cpat92 On April 02, 2020
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#10New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 19:02:27
@chaski Said

Actually the 2nd Amendment is in no danger of being either repealed nor undermined.

This is a red herring used by the NRA and the Republican Party.

1. The NRA uses it to boost firearms and ammunition sales. We saw the work under the Obama Administrations. Firearms and ammunitions sales were at an all time high, while the Republican Party controlled the H.R. and Senate (i.e. there wasn't literally zero chance of the 2nd Amendment being repealed, and literally zero chance of any anti-firearms legistlaion being passed).

2. The Republican Party uses this bulls*** argument to create a level of fear in the gullible, dumb and willfully ignorant in an effort to dupe them into hating the Democratic party. Meanwhile the Republican party keeps creating the vary agencies that they claim to hate (EPA, ATF and Homeland Security to name three... one might wonder what the real purpose of the Space Force is...? Control civilian satellites...i.e. communications...?). Then the Republicans push for war to boost the Defense Industry and (as a spinoff) firearms sales >>> to line their pockets with cash.

3. Even if somehow the 2nd Amendment was repealed and the Federal government came for our firearms (which would necessarily be run by the ATF and Homeland Defense) there is not enough manpower (i.e. federal employees in total) in the U.D. government to do this... the logistics would literally impossible...

4. In addition, there wouldn't be enough state/local law enforcement supporting an effort to seize everyones firearms.. the collapse of the USA as we know it is a more likely possibility than the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.



Been a minute since I heard the Republican Party speak on Gun control.
mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#11New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 19:32:52
@chaski Said

3. Even if somehow the 2nd Amendment was repealed and the Federal government came for our firearms (which would necessarily be run by the ATF and Homeland Defense) there is not enough manpower (i.e. federal employees in total) in the U.D. government to do this... the logistics would literally impossible...



All they'd have to do is temporarily reassign the forces that are reading all of our emails and listening to all of our phone calls.
mrmhead On about 7 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#12New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 19:34:44
@4d4m Said

They have succeeded in getting their Red Flag Confiscation Laws passed in this manner



Are you OK with someone deemed a danger to themselves or others of being in possession of a firearm?
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#13New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 20:00:42
chaski On about 4 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#14New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 20:03:22
Obama already took all of our guns... Game over... Also declared himself King....
DiscordTiger On about 11 hours ago
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#15New Post! Jan 19, 2020 @ 22:47:30
We’ve had a few armed protests in my state. During the obama era. Mostly tea party, but we are an open carry state so any protest can be an armed one.

But a few were waving their guns around like signs.

It’s went about the same as any other protest. Mostly fine with a couple idiots and people looking to start s***.
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