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Ghyda On February 11, 2020




Anaheim, California
#2New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 04:03:03
When the first European colonists arrived in 1500, what is now Brazil was inhabited by an estimated 11 million Indians, living in about 2,000 tribes. Within the first century of contact, 90% were wiped out, mainly through diseases imported by the colonists, such as flu, measles and smallpox. In the following centuries, thousands more died, enslaved in the rubber and sugar cane plantations.
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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#3New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 04:31:22
@Ghyda Said

When the first European colonists arrived in 1500, what is now Brazil was inhabited by an estimated 11 million Indians, living in about 2,000 tribes. Within the first century of contact, 90% were wiped out, mainly through diseases imported by the colonists, such as flu, measles and smallpox. In the following centuries, thousands more died, enslaved in the rubber and sugar cane plantations.



Very good point Ghyda.

Then there is the "ethnic cleansing" is "genocide" vs "ethnic cleansing" is not actually "genocide" argument.

Depending on one's perspective and/or one's statistics:

One could easily argue that the Holocaust; The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution in China; Stalin's actions in the USSR; the Genocide of Indigenous (north) Americans (or the genocide of all Indigenous peoples of the Americas); or any one of an number of other instance of "ethnic cleansing"/"genocide" were as "great" or "greater" than that of the germanic people in eastern Europe.

And, most likely, one could find at least one (if not two or three) internet web postings to support one's opinion on which "ethnic cleansing" and/or "genocide" was the greatest...or worst.

If I were "choosing", I might choose your (Ghyda's) selection.

Though certainly the Armenian Genocide, the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan Genocide, though lesser in terms of total numbers, were vast in a both a "per capita" and level of violence perspective.
shadowen On September 16, 2021




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#4New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:30:17
@Ghyda Said

When the first European colonists arrived in 1500, what is now Brazil was inhabited by an estimated 11 million Indians, living in about 2,000 tribes. Within the first century of contact, 90% were wiped out, mainly through diseases imported by the colonists, such as flu, measles and smallpox. In the following centuries, thousands more died, enslaved in the rubber and sugar cane plantations.


What happened to the native peoples of the americas was truly shocking. Perhaps you could write an article explaining in greater detail what happened to the native peoples of Brazil etc.
shadowen On September 16, 2021




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#5New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:34:15
Genocide is one of those words that is so often misused that it has lost a lot of it's meaning.

Genocide is defined as: "The DELIBERATE killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group".

Ethnic cleansing: The mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.
shadowen On September 16, 2021




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#6New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 12:52:53
I am aware of plenty of evidence to suggest that native peoples of the Americas were the victims of ethnic cleansing. The proof of genocide is more uncertain. But does it really matter? What is undeniable is that Europeans invaded the lands of the traditional inhabitants of the Americas, and that in doing so they introduced deadly pathogens. The worst of these was smallpox, which sometimes incapacitated so many adults at once that deaths from starvation ran as high as deaths from disease; in several cases, entire tribes were rendered extinct. Other killers included measles, influenza, whooping cough, diphtheria, typhus, bubonic plague, cholera, and scarlet fever.

Were however these deadly pathogens deliberately introduced? I am aware of only one example where this would appear to be the case, and that occurred in North America in 1763. It is also possible that the US army deliberately gave smallpox infected blankets to the Mandans in 1837, though the evidence I have been able to find re this is inconclusive.
Ghyda On February 11, 2020




Anaheim, California
#7New Post! Aug 02, 2016 @ 14:32:40
I don't believe that Brazil in the 16th century should be called genocide, but it is such a huge number, I always think of it when people talk about the holocaust. Brazil in the 16th century must be more like Europe in the 14th century when more then 75 million people died for more or less the same reason. Of course no one knows what happened in Brazil. By the time Europeans returned for the second time, the people were gone, almost.

I had never heard about the situation with the Germans.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
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Waverly, Washington
#8New Post! Aug 03, 2016 @ 01:51:15
look the same to me.

The definition you used for ethnic cleansing lacks the word 'deliberate' ---- but how can "mass" expulsion/killing not be 'deliberate'?

Even according to responses thus far to this thread -- expulsion of masses of people results in deaths. There are terrible, terrible conditions, resulting in death. Is death easier to 'take' if it not execution/combat, but rather slow death through starvation, conditions and diseases with no medical intervention, and mentally/physically being beat down?

@shadowen Said

Genocide is one of those words that is so often misused that it has lost a lot of it's meaning.

Genocide is defined as: "The DELIBERATE killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group".

Ethnic cleansing: The mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#10New Post! Aug 03, 2016 @ 08:33:13
in history, " ethnic cleansing " is a very ugly. dark side of any country that is not proud, but part of their culture history.

I was think in America, it would be the American native Indians.

I was think if we literally stave and drive the american native Indians to reseverations that might call be a ethic cleansing.

America soldiers were order to kill native Indians, not that way concentration camps, but to imprison in the indian reversations.

if you think about the America government at the time, really never gave native Indians a choice. our government ever ask if the America, we will located another place not like reservations.

our government , we will locate you in Canada or across the ocean. of cource, the fear that Indians would back to America, I guess that biggest fear that our government had against native americans.

if there were mass murders of native Indians, our government would have to explain that to us. I understand that a local government or a small American towns like dodge city, tombstone , st. louis, virgina city, Kansas city, or northford or other American west towns in American west history. these places could have local ethnic cleansing wasn't told in history books.

if there is other ways that not to describe ethnic cleansing or mass murders. I think the word " prejudice " deals with blacks in America, is better word.

many ways, America in the beginning, when Americans brought over blacks from Africa. in time, we accept blacks are equal. but today, why America still have struggle accept native americans in America?
chaski On about 1 hour ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#11New Post! Aug 03, 2016 @ 15:04:34
@DuLu Said

look the same to me.

The definition you used for ethnic cleansing lacks the word 'deliberate' ---- but how can "mass" expulsion/killing not be 'deliberate'?

Even according to responses thus far to this thread -- expulsion of masses of people results in deaths. There are terrible, terrible conditions, resulting in death. Is death easier to 'take' if it not execution/combat, but rather slow death through starvation, conditions and diseases with no medical intervention, and mentally/physically being beat down?


The reality is that essentially all genocides are ethnic cleansing. (Note: Perhaps if you include something like the dropping of atomic bomb in Japan as a "genocide" it might be excluded from the definition of "ethnic cleansing" since the purpose wasn't to actually get rid of and/or move the Japanese, just to kill enough of them to convince them to surrender.)

On the other hand, while most (if not all) ethnic cleansing involve some murder, it is not a necessary part of the events to be considered "ethnic cleansing".

Two examples of this are:

1. Putting native americans on reservations. Many deaths (many murders) did occur, but the intent (over all) was not to kill all native americans, but rather the intent was to move the native americans from their lands and out of the way of the non-native americans... thus it was an instance "ethnic cleansing".

2. The Holocaust, started with "ethnic cleansing" in the form of moving and isolating Jews (and some other ethnic groups) from their home into the ghettos of many cities, then the moving of these people to concentration camps, and then (the final solution) the mass killing of many of these peoples (with the apparent intent to ultimately kill them all)....thus the Holocaust was both an instance of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide".

The Holocaust really stands out as one of the worst (if not the worst) "genocide" and one of the worst (if not the worst) "ethnic cleansing"...both.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#12New Post! Aug 03, 2016 @ 22:44:25
i thought this was interesting:

someone who was inhuman than hilter and stalin be bigger than to be no. one of all mass murder in history.

he name is Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.

he was ruthless dictator that literally stave farmers in china, to seizes their farms. he would forced the farmers to have famished farms. he would only help or keep these farmers live, if they followed his dictatorship and his group.

ten of millions, at least 45 million chineses died by the hands of mao Zedong.


the great leap foward policy
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