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townie_guy On May 07, 2013

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#1New Post! May 14, 2012 @ 23:37:03
What are the limits of free speech? Should the government censor and limit the right of assembly for hate groups and racist groups? Also why arnt homophobes allowed to voice there views? Its a free country right.
DiscordTiger On 58 minutes ago
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#2New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 00:01:25
I'm not really sure the UK is a free country. At least as an outsider it does not give me that impression.

I know what that limits here in the states are, and when it comes to government they are pretty lenient in what can be said. They draw the line at inciting actual imminent violence.

That is the gov, of coursde private places and property can be more restrictive, in the sens that they can deny service to people.
bob_the_fisherman On July 06, 2020
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#3New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 00:09:19
Personally, I think all speech should be free in an ideal world of mature adults and opposing ideas.

Sadly though, we do not live in such a world, and there are people out there who feel it necessary to say that those that oppose them ought to be killed. And, we also know there are fanatics/idealists/morons out there who will kill people if told to do so.

Therefore, when people speak of the need to kill those that oppose them, this speech should not be protected, as the speech is aimed at inducing an action that should not be protected.
Five_Tailed_Fox On June 16, 2012




Cottontown, Tennessee
#4New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 00:46:33
People get too wound up over the word "free." As if not being able to lean out my window and shout anything I want means that I cannot live a happy life.

You can say important things, no doubt. The government's not going to keep you from rationally explaining why you dislike the government or disagree with a policy. Isn't that enough? Why do people feel like they aren't really "free" if they cannot say whatever disgusting thing enters their head?
syco On April 26, 2013

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#5New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 07:34:49
While in theory we have the freedom of speach, expression etc, there are are obv limits set in place by thelaw of the land
Racism, or inciting racial tension.
Inciteing People to break the law, and if you incite terorism you will get shafted.
Perverting the course of justice and purgory(lying to a court or policeman)
I think also "Hate" speaches have been outlawed as thats what they kicked one of the muslim clerrics out of the country for. And good riddence too.

You cant post pictures of executions or kiddie porn, which I think is against the freedom of expression bit

Of course civil law can stop people's freedom of expression by making it hard to make
Libalouse acusations
Defamitory remarks

I think their are a few laws not in existence that there should be, for example, "Dont be a nob" and "All chavs should get stoned to death" which also come into the freedom of eprssion.
treebee On April 13, 2015
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London, United Kingdom
#6New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 07:43:47
Well anyone can voice an opinion in the UK. You can even go to speakers corner and spout off any old crap you like.

There is only one condition and that is not to incite hatred in others towards any particular groups.

This being said there are still churches and political parties who continue to print off pamphlets of hatred and they still have rallies against groups of people.

Do not believe what the tabloids tell you. The police are not out censoring every speaker or pamphlet in circulation. Just the ones they get loads of complaints about.
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#7New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 07:51:27
@townie_guy Said

What are the limits of free speech? Should the government censor and limit the right of assembly for hate groups and racist groups? Also why arnt homophobes allowed to voice there views? Its a free country right.



It's like shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theater - People are going to get trampled.
townie_guy On May 07, 2013

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#8New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 08:35:45
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Personally, I think all speech should be free in an ideal world of mature adults and opposing ideas.

Sadly though, we do not live in such a world, and there are people out there who feel it necessary to say that those that oppose them ought to be killed. And, we also know there are fanatics/idealists/morons out there who will kill people if told to do so.

Therefore, when people speak of the need to kill those that oppose them, this speech should not be protected, as the speech is aimed at inducing an action that should not be protected.


SO you are saying that we should blame a speaker for someone elses action's. So if I tell someone to stick there head in the oven, and they do it, it is my fault?
nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#9New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 09:26:28
@townie_guy Said

SO you are saying that we should blame a speaker for someone elses action's. So if I tell someone to stick there head in the oven, and they do it, it is my fault?


Isn't that how accessory to a crime works? Or is speech not included in that?
townie_guy On May 07, 2013

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#10New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 09:37:02
I thought accessory to crime was more the fact that you knew someone had committed the crime and you keep it quiet. You are therefore with holding evidence so you are just as bad.

So if I say to you "Kill your neighbour" are you just gonna go and do it and then say it was my own fault. We all have free will at the end of the day.

Ok Ive just looked up accessory to crime and actually my bad. Inciting a crime is accessory to crime. Although in my personal honest opinion like I have said above, just because I tell someone to do something they dont have to. If I tell someone to do something that is against the law, they should know this and not do it.

I know that isnt how it looks in the eyes of the law but that is my personal opinion.
nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#11New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 09:42:43
@townie_guy Said

I thought accessory to crime was more the fact that you knew someone had committed the crime and you keep it quiet. You are therefore with holding evidence so you are just as bad.


That sounds like perjury, but apparently not. I think there's a name for this, but I'm not sure it's illegal. Or if it is, it would be very hard to prove. Proving prior knowledge is a very tricky legal battle.

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So if I say to you "Kill your neighbour" are you just gonna go and do it and then say it was my own fault. We all have free will at the end of the day.

Ok Ive just looked up accessory to crime and actually my bad. Inciting a crime is accessory to crime. Although in my personal honest opinion like I have said above, just because I tell someone to do something they dont have to. If I tell someone to do something that is against the law, they should know this and not do it.

I know that isnt how it looks in the eyes of the law but that is my personal opinion.


I don't know about that, but when I first read this my first thought was the Manson family. Of course thats not the ONLY thing they did, but I still think it's related.
hoppy On August 27, 2013




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#12New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 15:53:08
My town needs a speakers corner.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#13New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 16:02:29
@DiscordTiger Said

I'm not really sure the UK is a free country. At least as an outsider it does not give me that impression.

I know what that limits here in the states are, and when it comes to government they are pretty lenient in what can be said. They draw the line at inciting actual imminent violence.

That is the gov, of coursde private places and property can be more restrictive, in the sens that they can deny service to people.



Yeah this is what I was going to post after I read the OP.

"Free speech" in the UK is rather... lacking.
Rufus_Excalibur_ffolkes On May 15, 2012

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#14New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 16:06:21
Nonsense - free speech here is generally prevalent. I should say, in fact, more prevalent in certain topic areas than is consistently demonstrated across the Atlantic.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#15New Post! May 15, 2012 @ 16:09:00
@Rufus_Excalibur_ffolkes Said

Nonsense - free speech here is generally prevalent. I should say, in fact, more prevalent in certain topic areas than is consistently demonstrated across the Atlantic.


Yeah, not so much. There's an entire category of speech in the UK that is specifically outlawed that is not outlawed in the US.

Comparatively, there is no category of speech outlawed in the US that is legal in the UK as far as I'm aware.
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