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jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#16New Post! Nov 08, 2005 @ 12:52:52
@osm Said
I use firefox, explorer seems slow compared to it. Being safer is an advantage.

Why is Microsoft developing a new OS when it should be developing a new and safer internet explorer for all the people out there that use it?


Microsoft is a gigantic corporation with thousands of developers working on literally hundreds of projects. They have operating systems, office suites, database backends, programming suites, programming languages, server applications, messenger programs, embedding and mobile operating systems, internet applications, game consoles, etc etc etc.

They are actively working on making things safer, but they can only go so far. The majority of security issues from Internet Explorer stem from the content that we as users have grown accustomed to. We want to be able to see movies and hear music and view flash animations and play games on web pages, and that is the very functionality crackers and worm writers exploit. There's a certain amount of trust that has to be given to websites in order to run these things, and if they abuse that trust we often have spyware problems and things like that. They are actively working on making IE safer, but it's a delicate balance between the useability people want and security.

The main reasons Firefox and Opera are safer is not because they're programmed better, it's because they're being used by so few people the hackers write code to exploit Internet Explorer. It would be counterintuitive to write a Firefox worm when it's only used by 5% of the internet.. you get way more bang for your, uh, code by writing exploits for Internet Explorer since it's used by 15 times as many people.

Firefox and Opera have certainly had their share of security vulnerabilities in the past.. Firefox has 3 releases in the past few months solely for the purpose of patching big security holes!
23886 On June 30, 2009

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#17New Post! Nov 08, 2005 @ 13:08:40
coded better, eh? more like firefox and opera don't have a lot of the same functions IE does such as being able to use control panel and so on within it

and I beleive most web browsers other then IE are based on the same netscape code when it comes to page decoding
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#18New Post! Nov 08, 2005 @ 13:11:12
Who said either one was coded better?

Firefox is the only open source browser, so we have nothing to compare it to.

Opera, IE, and Firefox all use completely different engines. "most web browsers other then IE are based on the same netscape code when it comes to page decoding" is completely wrong.
23886 On June 30, 2009

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#19New Post! Nov 08, 2005 @ 23:19:26
try taking apart the code yourself, it's basically same.

and you were the one who said firefox is just coded better.
Firefox and mozilla may be open source, but that doesn't automatically make it better, as you have said with UNIX, and most programs being executables.
reiko On March 27, 2006

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#20New Post! Nov 08, 2005 @ 23:21:03
I still haven't tried opera yet. It's on my to do someday but don't know when list lol
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#21New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 01:37:05
@23886 Said
try taking apart the code yourself, it's basically same.

There is no code to take apart. The only people with access to Internet Explorer code is Microsoft. The only people with access to Opera code are Opera programmers. You're totally making s*** up. The underlying code on all of them is necessarily completely different. Anything built with even one line of Mozilla code needs to be open sourced or else someone is breaking a few laws.

@23886 Said
and you were the one who said firefox is just coded better.

Not sure where you read that, but I never did. You might want to go back and reread the thread.

@23886 Said
Firefox and mozilla may be open source, but that doesn't automatically make it better, as you have said with UNIX, and most programs being executables.

I'm not even sure what this means. I said Firefox is better because it is faster and does not take the whole system down when it crashes. The same goes for Opera, which is better than IE in many respects, but it in my experience has more compatibility issues than Firefox.

FYI, many (most) unixes are not open source at all. Linux is, several flavors of BSD are, etc, but many aren't.
23886 On June 30, 2009

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#22New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 08:11:17
@jonnythan Said
Anything built with even one line of Mozilla code needs to be open sourced or else someone is breaking a few laws.


if that were true then no one could program anymore. programming works in tags in its source, many just being variable tags, so by saying this, you're saying near every program made is illegal. and there is a few programs that turn finished executables back into source, but you have to go through agreements not to release licenced source in any way, and that you are liable for any legal infringements, for they're only made for fixing bugs on your own.

@jonnythan Said
I'm not even sure what this means. I said Firefox is better because it is faster and does not take the whole system down when it crashes. The same goes for Opera, which is better than IE in many respects, but it in my experience has more compatibility issues than Firefox.

FYI, many (most) unixes are not open source at all. Linux is, several flavors of BSD are, etc, but many aren't.


you were saying before how windows has advantages over UNIX, being open source isn't always better just because it's open source

opera has many compatability issues, but nothing major as far as I've seen, everything works just as it would in IE for me, all media plays with an embeded player, swf plays without skips, and I haven't had it crash even once other then the time I had RAM made for an AMD machine in this intel one

also, you said firefox was faster
Page load times for the main page on tfs were for IE: 6.2sec, Firefox: 3.4sec, Opera 1.8, and opera has a cache folder on the hard disk, so when you push "back" you see the last page instantly without reloading anything from the server, wheras last I saw firefox and IE both required that
Erlend On July 29, 2009

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#23New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 08:44:15
It's strange that I haven't tried Opera yet, being Norwegian and all. I use Firefox, mostly because I like foxes. I also have a friend (he's a programmer) who uses IE, so I guess I'm partly just trying to piss him off.
23886 On June 30, 2009

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#24New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 09:00:00
I'm not going to continue this argument anymore anyways even if I am very wrong jonnythan, it seems that you are yet to learn to settle a disagreement gracefully. a simple link to proof and some friendliness would've more then sufficed, all this shows is that you still act as a child. "completely wrong" "You're totally making s*** up" "FYI, many (most) unixes are not open source at all. Linux is, several flavors of BSD are, etc, but many aren't."(this one as there is stuff like opensolaris)
aren't you being a bit agressive there? maybe you forget, but you are trying to argue with a 15yr old, that will, like most people, be happy when you try to be friendly?

now if you went off being more friendly like you did with "Not sure where you read that, but I never did. You might want to go back and reread the thread." then you migh get blessed more and not be told you're so mean.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#25New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 12:27:16
@23886 Said
if that were true then no one could program anymore. programming works in tags in its source, many just being variable tags, so by saying this, you're saying near every program made is illegal. and there is a few programs that turn finished executables back into source, but you have to go through agreements not to release licenced source in any way, and that you are liable for any legal infringements, for they're only made for fixing bugs on your own.

I'm sorry, but you're very deluded and naive. The Mozilla organization would be raining s*** down onto Microsoft if they used ANY code written under the GPL license. There was a big to-do a couple years back that Microsoft may have used part of the old BSD TCP stack in Windows 3.1.... not because someone magically turned the executable into source code (which is difficult even for simple programs, and impossible for complex ones), but because the BUGS were similar!!!

The Internet Explorer code has evolved over the past 6 or 7 years from all in-house closed programming within the walls of Microsoft. The Mozilla project basically started anew, doing open source programming all licensed under the GPL.

The entire point of the GPL (General Public License), which is the license under which much OSS (Open Source Software) is released (including Linux and Firefox), is that anyone is free to use the code in any way they see fit as long as it too remains Open Source!!! Seriously, and I can't stress this enough, if Microsoft used a single function found in the Mozilla source code, the license clearly states that Microsoft would need to open source Internet Explorer in its entirety.

This isn't just legal babble, it's real and it's a big big deal. The Mozilla organization would s*** THEMSELVES with glee if they were able to screw Microsoft and/or Opera over something this brain-dead easy.



@23886 Said
you were saying before how windows has advantages over UNIX, being open source isn't always better just because it's open source

Right.

@23886 Said
opera has many compatability issues, but nothing major as far as I've seen, everything works just as it would in IE for me, all media plays with an embeded player, swf plays without skips, and I haven't had it crash even once other then the time I had RAM made for an AMD machine in this intel one

I remember my one big peeve that made me get rid of it was that ESPN.com would not work.

@23886 Said
also, you said firefox was faster
Page load times for the main page on tfs were for IE: 6.2sec, Firefox: 3.4sec, Opera 1.8, and opera has a cache folder on the hard disk, so when you push "back" you see the last page instantly without reloading anything from the server, wheras last I saw firefox and IE both required that

All browsers have a cache folder on the hard disk. In IE, go to Tools -> Internet Options and look at the Temporary Internet Files section. This is a cache (and users are well advised to hit Settings and turn the ridiculously large number that Windows defaults to down to 100 or 150 MB). In Firefox, go to Tools -> Options, then select Privacy and you will see the Cache settings at the bottom.

This has been a function of all browsers basically since the beginning.

One of the differences with TFS is that TFS reloads the page whenever it gets displayed. I imagine this is programmed into the site because no other site does this. If Opera doesn't do this, it sounds like it's broken as well.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#26New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 12:28:48
The only people who seem to tell me that I'm mean seem to be the people who try to tell me I'm wrong about something I know is right
23886 On June 30, 2009

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#27New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 22:05:32
@jonnythan Said
The only people who seem to tell me that I'm mean seem to be the people who try to tell me I'm wrong about something I know is right


as I said, simple proof and a gesture of friendliness suffices, if you'd done that instead of jumping into an argument, you might have a better reputaion. and I do already know of a few people here that don't think as much of you because of this who haven't even disagreed, just because you have to prove your point to the highest extent you can. look at your last argument, have you even programmed enough to know how such code works? you just jump into the arguments too easily, and to top it off you do this against someone you said was too young to understand much? I really would've continued the argument, but you just throw in too many insults. I like a friendly debate, not a battle.

*leaves the thread to prevent this from becoming one too*
reiko On March 27, 2006

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#28New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 22:10:04
Go firefox! lol
pippo On January 17, 2006




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#29New Post! Nov 09, 2005 @ 22:10:31
Whoa! Its a bit heated in here!
I ahve never heard of Opera before-is it any good then?
demonman66669 On February 25, 2010




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#30New Post! Nov 10, 2005 @ 08:29:08
i use SlimBrowser it is faster the IE, Firefox, and Opera and WAY safer then IE (i havent checked it against Firefox or Opera) it is very easy on system resources it is tabbed it has an auto refresh feature mouse gestures work with it if it crashes it doesnt crash the whole computer plus it can restore all the sites that were open when it crashed i also havent had a single page display incorrectly (i have been to litterly tens of thousands of web pages) windows update works on it (it even has an option to go straight to windows update under the tools section) it has a spell checker and a history cleaner and and a pop-up blocker that works pretty damn good it also has won several awards it has lots of other great features that i aint got the time to mention


the only problem i have found with it is that it comes with a toolbar that cant be disabled the normal way but you can go to C/program files/slimbrowser/toolbars and just delete the folder for that toolbar and that will get rid of it and wont cause any problems at all (i deleted it along time ago and the browser still works great without any problems)

you can read more about it and download it from here https://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/
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