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white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#1New Post! Nov 06, 2011 @ 18:44:22
A Brief History and Examples


Executive Orders have been used by every chief executive since the time of George Washington. Most of these directives were unpublished and were only seen by the agencies involved. In the early 1900s, the State Department began numbering them; there are now over 13,000 numbered orders. Orders were retroactively numbered going back to 1862 when President Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus and issued the Emancipation Proclamation by Executive Order. There are also many other Executive Orders that have not been numbered because they have been lost due to bad record-keeping. Such is not the problem today. All new Executive Orders are easily accessible (see below).

Many important policy changes have occurred through Executive Orders. Harry Truman integrated the armed forces under Executive Order. President Eisenhower used an EO to desegregate schools. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson used them to bar racial discrimination in federal housing, hiring, and contracting. President Reagan used an EO to bar the use of federal funds for advocating abortion. President Clinton reversed this order when he came into office.

President Clinton has come under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress (see the quotes at the beginning of this article). Clinton has signed over 300 EOs since 1992. In one case, he designated 1.7 million acres of Southern Utah as the Grant Staircase - Escalante National Monument. He also designated a system of American Heritage Rivers and even fought a war with Yugoslavia under Executive Order.


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There is access to every Executive Order ever issued by every president . It boggles the mind . I have picked out two of Obama's and posted links with them. i would like to hear others thoughts on them .



Obama to issue executive order on medicine shortages
October 31, 2011

https://paxalles.blogs.com/paxalles/2011/10/obama-to-issue-executive-order-on-medicine-shortages.html





King Statement on President Obama’s Executive Order on Terrorist Detention
Media Contact: Shane Wolfe (202) 226-8417
Mar 7, 2011
Washington, D.C. (Monday, March 7, 2011)– Today, ­U.S. Rep. Peter T. King (R-NY), Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, issued the following statement in response to President Obama’s issuance of an Executive Order on indefinite detention:

“I commend the Obama Administration for issuing this Executive Order. The bottom line is that it affirms the Bush Administration policy that our government has the right to detain dangerous terrorists until the cessation of hostilities. This is clearly another step in the right direction.”



https://homeland.house.gov/press-release/king-statement-president-obama%E2%80%99s-executive-order-terrorist-detention


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Here the are links to every one that Obama has issued for the years 2010 and 2011 .



2010 Executive Orders Disposition Tables
Barack Obama - 2010



https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2010.html

2011 Executive Orders Disposition Tables
Barack Obama - 2011



https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2011.html
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#2New Post! Nov 06, 2011 @ 23:23:03
The all time champion of Excecutive Orders was Franklin Roosevelt.
Roosevelt issued over 4,000 executive orders.
Clinton used over 800 Executive Orders and
Bush used around 400. Executive Orders.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#3New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 00:38:36
President Clinton has come under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress .


https://richmedia247.com/sync/javascript/28_31_ViTALS_tracking.html



Obama uses executive orders as a political tool

Quote:
President Barack Obama is crafting his own laws of political physics these days, insisting that inaction by a divided Congress requires White House action in order to get something done.



Quote:
Republicans reject the premise of the White House position, arguing that Obama chooses to blame Congress for inaction instead of working with legislators from both parties on bills that can pass.



https://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-01/politics/politics_obama-executive-orders_1_executive-orders-press-secretary-jay-carney-inaction?_s=PM:POLITICS
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#4New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 01:13:51
Obama also lifted the 12 year secrecy cloak of Bush that allows for more transparency of the executive. Something almost worded like Reagan's initial EO.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#5New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 01:26:45
Looks like a really good read.
Start on page 153 for the EO info.
https://books.google.com/books?id=qgAWphms5oMC&pg=PA153&lpg=PA153&dq=bad+reagan+executive+orders&source=bl&ots=BRU-aVkNJr&sig=gRGgGVdngHQEK6OmgdDt6idCQyU&hl=en&ei=FyC3Tuf5MuWtsAKzsIT6Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#6New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 01:58:13
@shinobinoz Said

Obama also lifted the 12 year secrecy cloak of Bush that allows for more transparency of the executive. Something almost worded like Reagan's initial EO.



Obama has done a lot of things , some that were expected .some that was original and then some that are a continuation of policies already in place .
and his supporters have become as predictable as turkey dinner for thanksgiving.
Zker On March 23, 2012

Banned



Foster Grant, United States (g
#7New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 02:50:41
"Quote:
President Barack Obama is crafting his own laws of political physics these days, insisting that inaction by a divided Congress requires White House action in order to get something done"

Republicans screaming NO!!! Dumbocrats WONDERING if they should follow FEARLESS LEADER. Obama does it anyway. HOW UNdemocratic.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#8New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 03:02:43
@white_swan53 Said

President Clinton has come under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress .


https://richmedia247.com/sync/javascript/28_31_ViTALS_tracking.html



Obama uses executive orders as a political tool





https://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-01/politics/politics_obama-executive-orders_1_executive-orders-press-secretary-jay-carney-inaction?_s=PM:POLITICS



@Zker Said

"Quote:
President Barack Obama is crafting his own laws of political physics these days, insisting that inaction by a divided Congress requires White House action in order to get something done"

Republicans screaming NO!!! Dumbocrats WONDERING if they should follow FEARLESS LEADER. Obama does it anyway. HOW UNdemocratic.



So, what is it that everyone is afraid of ? What is stopping people / the media/ other politicians from putting Obama under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress ?
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#9New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:02:45
@white_swan53 Said

So, what is it that everyone is afraid of ? What is stopping people / the media/ other politicians from putting Obama under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress ?


All presidents have done so.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#10New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:18:15
@shinobinoz Said

All presidents have done so.


Sure I know this ,
Executive Orders have been used by every chief executive since the time of George Washington. Most of these directives were unpublished and were only seen by the agencies involved.

But not all presidents use them as an easy way out or to keep from having to consult with congress .
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#11New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:26:44
@white_swan53 Said

So, what is it that everyone is afraid of ? What is stopping people / the media/ other politicians from putting Obama under fire for using the EO as a way to make policy without consulting the Republican Congress ?


Why would the President ever need to consult Congress before setting Executive policy?

As I suggested on the other thread, a Civics lesson is in order.

The Executive Branch is not subordinated to the Legislative Branch.

The President has certain powers as exercised through executive orders. The check on that power is Congress. If they don't like the executive order it is their job to pass a law that stops it. Obama cannot pass an executive order that directly violates law passed by Congress.

You mentioned FDR, he did pass a lot of executive orders, and a lot of them were shot down. He was the President. He set policy based on what he thought was appropriate and left it to Congress to tell him "no" when he overreached. That is how the office of the President is supposed to interact with Congress.

Your notion that it is improper for the President to create policy without Congress first passing a law to affirm that policy shows that you have little notion what it is the President is supposed to do.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#12New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:26:49
@white_swan53 Said

Sure I know this ,
Executive Orders have been used by every chief executive since the time of George Washington. Most of these directives were unpublished and were only seen by the agencies involved.

But not all presidents use them as an easy way out or to keep from having to consult with congress .


That was mainly used and started by Reagan you know!
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#13New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:28:49
@drman321 Said

Why would the President ever need to consult Congress before setting Executive policy?

As I suggested on the other thread, a Civics lesson is in order.

The Executive Branch is not subordinated to the Legislative Branch.

The President has certain powers as exercised through executive orders. The check on that power is Congress. If they don't like the executive order it is their job to pass a law that stops it. Obama cannot pass an executive order that directly violates law passed by Congress.

You mentioned FDR, he did pass a lot of executive orders, and a lot of them were shot down. He was the President. He set policy based on what he thought was appropriate and left it to Congress to tell him "no" when he overreached. That is how the office of the President is supposed to interact with Congress.

Your notion that it is improper for the President to create policy without Congress first passing a law to affirm that policy shows that you have little notion what it is the President is supposed to do.

It is just getting so insanely petty. Obama is doing too much!!!! Obama is not doing what he promised!!!! Obama is doing what congress won't!!!!!!
All by the same damn people!
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#14New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:33:47
IMO The petty squabbling and infantile finger pointing going on in our goverment in both parties is ridiculous to say the least.
all those guys should wipe their teary eyes blow their noses step and start acting like adults instead of toddlers. just my [smile]https://c.tfster.com/images/galleries/full_1265b0c4825072bd666fee66a7203287.jpg">
drman321 On December 28, 2013




, Florida
#15New Post! Nov 07, 2011 @ 04:42:27
@white_swan53 Said

IMO The petty squabbling and infantile finger pointing going on in our goverment in both parties is ridiculous to say the least.
all those guys should wipe their teary eyes blow their noses step and start acting like adults instead of toddlers. just my [smile]https://c.tfster.com/images/galleries/full_1265b0c4825072bd666fee66a7203287.jpg">



Unless I am mistaken Obama's use of the executive order to achieve some positive movement in the economy is him doing exactly what you are asking for. The only reason I assume he waited so long before deciding to leave Congress to their petty games is because he was once a legislator himself and he was giving undue deference toward that branch because that was where he was raised up.
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