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Leon On about 1 hour ago




San Diego, California
#1New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 16:19:57
This will be a weekly series on major issues debated during the upcoming election. The first issue I wish to address is climate change.

The question I’d like you to answer is:

If you were President, and you had the majority of the House and supermajority of the Senate on your side, how would you address climate change and, if cost is involved, how would you pay for it?

If you need a summary of the issue, read below...

According to data of our Earth’s history, the last ice age ended 10,000 years ago, when temperatures rose to a peak. Since then, in an ongoing cyclic pattern, temperatures were gradually declining towards another eventual ice age, until the Industrial Age began in the late 1800’s, after which temperatures uncharacteristically shot up and have been rising ever since.

The cause of this reversal has been attributed to the burning of fossil fuels, which has resulted in a net yearly increase of CO2, a greenhouse gas, than which the earth and its inhabitants can absorb. The planet’s natural O2 - CO2 exchange would have otherwise resulted in a yearly net decline in CO2.

As a result, we have reached an increase of 0.8 degrees Celsius since the Industrial Age began. Scientists warn of irreversible damage risks once we reach beyond an increase of 1.5 degrees Celsius. We are projected to reach that threshold by 2050.

To avoid this, a recent U.N. report indicated that we would need to cut CO2 emissions by half by 2030 and in full by 2050.
And if we exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius, then CO2 removal technologies would be needed to be employed on a massive scale to avoid these damages in a timely enough manner.

Damages may include melting of the ice caps, rising sea levels, eradication of coral reefs, eradication of certain species, increased precipitation, increased natural disasters, drought and famine, and massive human migration. The cost of these damages have been estimated to be around 50-60 trillion dollars.
darkman666 On 59 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#2New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 16:39:16
in 80's, john gibbins (misspell) he was the first climatologist introduced usa - there was a climate change. he was leading scientist with books out on it.

even in the 70's, it was too late to the damage of co2 in atmosphere. the Vikings were the first to noticed the climate changes. that time, when we have change.

the no return of the climate change that we are on borrow time is now, not control to co2 in 2050. it is too late!! the stages of the fast tracks of melting icebergs and ice shelves in grrenland and Antarctica.
mrmhead On 42 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#3New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 16:52:28
I have my doubts on how quickly any conservation efforts will have an effect, especially without full participation. Though we should still not to s*** where we sleep.

I would put more efforts into preparing for the expected changes. Strengthening our infrastructure. Evacuation and preparedness plans.

Stop building, or rebuilding in vulnerable areas.
chaski On about 2 hours ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#4New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 17:11:14
My moves would be done regardless of whether or not Climate Change is "real".

In stead, my moves would be done for the following reasons:

> to reduce air & water pollution as much as possible, because aside from our environment, pollution is bad for our health... therefore puts an undo and costly burden on our health care system.

> to reduce trash as we are a growing population that is running out of locations to put our trash.

> enhance sustainable & renewable energy sources, as it would bring a boon to our economy much like enhancing infrastructure has proven to be a boon to the economy.

> shore up the U.S. economy to secure "our" position in the world, which is turning to eco friendly systems... "we" should want to be the "leader" as it secures our socio-economic stability into the future.

> etc

> The areas of interest being: energy, textiles, building materials.... really everything... there is economic growth and stability in moving our country into the future. Fossils fuels are for the dinosaurs.


OK... so what would I do?

Oversimplifying:

Provide incentives to any and all companies that are developing sustainable-reusable-eco friendly systems, products, sources of energy, etc...

These incentives would be in the form of tax breaks, government grants & contracts.... for development and implementation...... etc...

In addition there would be what amounts to economic punishments for industries not moving into the the eco friendly future. These punishments would be staged over numerous years to give people time to learn and implement the new systems, but would have a sort of "end date" that would be periodically reviewed, but would ultimately be draconian in terms of taxes and fines.

Sorry... way over simplified all of that...
darkman666 On 59 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#5New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 17:48:44
our threatened planet by joseph f. goodavage was the first book, I read in 78 that I read about climate changes.

one more interesting facts in the book, in the future, 10 months of the year will warm and eleventh and twelve month, 11 month will fall season, and 12 month will be winter season. in time, there will no fall or winter seasons. the seasons will be spring and summer only in a year.

the book and other books in the 70's and 80's, like this one dealt with excepts from the bible will comes true, not certain dates: when!

you probably can find this book online, local library , or bookstore. in the 80's, when this book and other books came out about climate changes. there was trend of books that came on ufo's, Bermuda triangle, and natural phenomena were a bigger deal back then.

back then, climate changes came a little too early for it's own good.
Leon On about 1 hour ago




San Diego, California
#6New Post! Apr 29, 2019 @ 18:36:28
Beto O’Rourke’s proposal , announced today, to cut emissions in half by 2030 and in full by 2050.
restoreone On October 14, 2019




, Ohio
#7New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 03:22:56
@Leon Said

This will be a weekly series on major issues debated during the upcoming election. The first issue I wish to address is climate change.

The question I’d like you to answer is:

If you were President, and you had the majority of the House and supermajority of the Senate on your side, how would you address climate change and, if cost is involved, how would you pay for it?

If you need a summary of the issue, read below...

According to data of our Earth’s history, the last ice age ended 10,000 years ago, when temperatures rose to a peak. Since then, in an ongoing cyclic pattern, temperatures were gradually declining towards another eventual ice age, until the Industrial Age began in the late 1800’s, after which temperatures uncharacteristically shot up and have been rising ever since.

The cause of this reversal has been attributed to the burning of fossil fuels, which has resulted in a net yearly increase of CO2, a greenhouse gas, than which the earth and its inhabitants can absorb. The planet’s natural O2 - CO2 exchange would have otherwise resulted in a yearly net decline in CO2.

As a result, we have reached an increase of 0.8 degrees Celsius since the Industrial Age began. Scientists warn of irreversible damage risks once we reach beyond an increase of 1.5 degrees Celsius. We are projected to reach that threshold by 2050.

To avoid this, a recent U.N. report indicated that we would need to cut CO2 emissions by half by 2030 and in full by 2050.
And if we exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius, then CO2 removal technologies would be needed to be employed on a massive scale to avoid these damages in a timely enough manner.

Damages may include melting of the ice caps, rising sea levels, eradication of coral reefs, eradication of certain species, increased precipitation, increased natural disasters, drought and famine, and massive human migration. The cost of these damages have been estimated to be around 50-60 trillion dollars.

Leon you keep pushing this global issue. People just do not think like that. Yes the Lung Association came out with it worst 10 places to live.Big changes from 20 or 30 years ago. No longer does Cleveland Pittsburgh Detroit lead the way in pollution. The west coast does. Hell you can even eat the fish out of the burning river. My suggestion is go local not global. Come up with ideas that work on the local level. When all I hear is people saying is where is this global warming because winter just won't let go in the midwest. Then we are not getting the right message out. People see the west needing water yet the Great Lakes are full
I have no idea how you change the thought process of so many people.
Leon On about 1 hour ago




San Diego, California
#8New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 03:50:57
@restoreone Said

Leon you keep pushing this global issue. People just do not think like that. Yes the Lung Association came out with it worst 10 places to live.Big changes from 20 or 30 years ago. No longer does Cleveland Pittsburgh Detroit lead the way in pollution. The west coast does. Hell you can even eat the fish out of the burning river. My suggestion is go local not global. Come up with ideas that work on the local level. When all I hear is people saying is where is this global warming because winter just won't let go in the midwest. Then we are not getting the right message out. People see the west needing water yet the Great Lakes are full
I have no idea how you change the thought process of so many people.


Getting the message out has definitely been a major problem, as it is extremely difficult to get people to think ahead, foresee problems, and fix them before they occur. This is true, not just with voters, but politicians as well, and not just on this issue, but any issue really. It is much easier to react to things than to prevent things in politics.

It doesn’t change the threat of course, as science doesn’t care what we believe. I do agree that it starts with us individually, locally, in terms of action (I do the best I can on my part to lessen my carbon footprint - LED bulbs, fuel efficient cars, etc), and with our ability to educate those who aren’t as aware or as accepting of the science for whatever reason.

It’s working, as polling data shows more are becoming aware of the issue and taking the correct side on it, especially among the younger generations, the group that will be most affected by the change.
Leon On about 1 hour ago




San Diego, California
#9New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 04:39:51
As far as answering my own question, if I were in charge, I would do the following:

1. Use my position as a bully pulpit to educate the public on the science and urgency of climate change, and launch readily accessible and easily understandable educational resources for anyone to go to in order to learn more about the science and what he/she can do individually to lessen his/her carbon footprint, via government sponsored websites, free literature, and nationwide school materials.

2. Reinstall and increase Obama fuel efficiency goal standards for automobile manufacturers.

3. Eliminate restrictions that severely limit the number of nuclear power plants in our nation. While this is not a popular option for many on the left due to the environmental risks and nuclear waste involved, the risks of our current levels of carbon output far outweigh the risks of replacing our electric power source with nuclear power. Nuclear power plants can be phased out once we have adequately replaced our power sources with alternative sources such as wind and solar on a national scale. At least this can help us with the urgency of the situation in the meantime.

4. Install a nationwide carbon tax on fossil fuels and a cap and trade on electric usage. Use this money to fund alternative energy infrastructure and electric vehicle incentives. Give first priority on the infrastructure jobs to laid off coal miners and oil drillers. Once we reach certain goals, such as cutting emissions in half by 2030, cap and trade can be phased out and carbon taxes can be increased.

5. Use the above to also fund, research, and build carbon capture technologies immediately to even better ensure we are doing everything we can to prevent going above 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050. Many on the left don’t like this idea either because it brings the appearance that we can be lazy now and just fix it later. But we must face the reality that we may just not make it even if we all tried, as we have already been sitting back for over a century now and have just a few more decades to get our act together. So we need to have technologies in place to reduce CO2 levels back down in the high likelihood we do go over.

6. Re-enter the Paris Accord and lead the way in a push for more stringent standards that better reflect the U.N. report guidelines, and a push in providing international funds to assist developing countries in achieving carbon reduction goals. Rework trade agreements and treaties to include emission standards, wherever relevant and possible.
darkman666 On 59 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#10New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 04:40:09
years ago, when I was a camper. my cabin went on a fishing trip. my counselor was a horrible smoker. he was a chain smoker. he smoked 2 to 4 packs of cigarettes a day.

he was so bad, he got a fish on cigarettes. we caught a fish and not ate him. my counselor stick an cigarette after cigarette in it's mouth. that fish look like a bad a** winehead, we had put to sunglass on him. this sucker was high.

we leave the site to go back to go camp. we threw the fish back with cigarette and sunglass into the lake.

this day, I felt that I am responsible for pollute lakes and oceans. you see winehead bum fishes come out the water and begging for beer and wine. ask little kids stop give fishes cigarettes. please!

people stop polluting the oceans and lakes. care for your fishes in the water. there are homeless fishes on the streets, stop pollute the water!
gakINGKONG On about 3 hours ago




, Florida
#11New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 09:18:54
So, as I reflect on recent developments, I feel that Joe Biden really should have announced his candidacy for president ......but just couldn’t see it. After all, hindsight is 2020.
chaski On about 2 hours ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#12New Post! Apr 30, 2019 @ 14:56:42
@gakINGKONG Said

So, as I reflect on recent developments, I feel that Joe Biden really should have announced his candidacy for president ......but just couldn’t see it. After all, hindsight is 2020.


You realize that Joe Biden has announced his candidacy for president... right? You realize that, right?
mrmhead On 42 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#13New Post! May 01, 2019 @ 01:19:37
Well, here's hopin' that $2 trillion will be used wisely .. if it ever gets off the ground.

Improved electrical grid.

Water supply infrastructure is atrocious in older cities.
.. i.e. Waste as well as contamination.
Leon On about 1 hour ago




San Diego, California
#14New Post! May 01, 2019 @ 02:31:08
@mrmhead Said

Well, here's hopin' that $2 trillion will be used wisely .. if it ever gets off the ground.

Improved electrical grid.

Water supply infrastructure is atrocious in older cities.
.. i.e. Waste as well as contamination.


Definitely picked a good week to start this thread, with the start of infrastructure negotiations, Beto’s version of the Green New Deal, and AOC’s reaction all making headlines.
darkman666 On 59 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#15New Post! May 01, 2019 @ 02:45:15
over five years ago, Missouri at around st. louis. they inspected all the bridges. they found 180 bridges should condemn or close to for good. Missouri has been doing a pretty good in repair these bridges. infrastructure is a good idea in general. it would sell better to the public and the government, if the price tag wasn't soo high to paid.
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