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Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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#1New Post! Feb 17, 2019 @ 18:45:00
Within the field of psychology, there has been two illnesses that I have learned of and who they effect. Body Dysmorphia and Gender Dysphoria. Body Dysmorphia (Body Dysmorphic Disorder) can cause on to be overly preoccupied with a body part that an individual may considered flawed. It can greatly affect those who suffer from anxiety, or depression. This can be seen in various people, whether it's your average individual, a model, and even bodybuilders. Gender Dysphoria affect those who have a mental conflict with their gender and biological sex with what they may identify as. Many who are affected by this are those who are transgender.

I believe that these may correlate as well, especially for those who would like to go through the transition process, those who are in the transition process and those who went through it. I heard in class today that there's talks that they may remove Gender Dysphoria from the DSM-5. Personally, I feel like that would be a horrible idea. Whether they say it or not, there are those who suffer from it. I think one possibility of them removing it would be the fact that the confusion of gender is taking place now. With the multiple added genders including non-binary, gender fluid and the multiple others, it adds more confusion and personally, I feel that this removes the seriousness from gender and those who are dealing with Gender Dysphoria. While they will deny it and those in support of the multiple genders, I feel many of those are doing it for attention and societal acceptance. That takes away from those who are seeking help and are trying to find their true selves.
Erimitus On 29 minutes ago




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#2New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 01:34:47
@Cpat92 Said

Within the field of psychology, there has been two illnesses that I have learned of and who they effect. Body Dysmorphia and Gender Dysphoria. Body Dysmorphia (Body Dysmorphic Disorder) can cause on to be overly preoccupied with a body part that an individual may considered flawed. It can greatly affect those who suffer from anxiety, or depression. This can be seen in various people, whether it's your average individual, a model, and even bodybuilders. Gender Dysphoria affect those who have a mental conflict with their gender and biological sex with what they may identify as. Many who are affected by this are those who are transgender.

I believe that these may correlate as well, especially for those who would like to go through the transition process, those who are in the transition process and those who went through it. I heard in class today that there's talks that they may remove Gender Dysphoria from the DSM-5. Personally, I feel like that would be a horrible idea. Whether they say it or not, there are those who suffer from it. I think one possibility of them removing it would be the fact that the confusion of gender is taking place now. With the multiple added genders including non-binary, gender fluid and the multiple others, it adds more confusion and personally, I feel that this removes the seriousness from gender and those who are dealing with Gender Dysphoria. While they will deny it and those in support of the multiple genders, I feel many of those are doing it for attention and societal acceptance. That takes away from those who are seeking help and are trying to find their true selves.



I look at sexual orientation as a social issue and not a mental illness. An individual constraint by a society from being what they are will have, in my opinion, a greater potential for mental disorder.

Ya gotta be what you are or you will be miserable.
Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#3New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 03:55:57
@Erimitus Said

I look at sexual orientation as a social issue and not a mental illness. An individual constraint by a society from being what they are will have, in my opinion, a greater potential for mental disorder.

Ya gotta be what you are or you will be miserable.



Understandable, but this isn't about sexual orientation. It's mainly referring to genders, the transition process and the mental illnesses that affect those who transition from on gender to the other. We are also touching on the subject of those who are highly insecure of their bodies.
chaski On 5 minutes ago
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#4New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 04:48:00
@Cpat92 Said

Understandable, but this isn't about sexual orientation. It's mainly referring to genders, the transition process and the mental illnesses that affect those who transition from on gender to the other. We are also touching on the subject of those who are highly insecure of their bodies.



Not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...

I have a question: Is a person who does not want to be whatever their physical gender is, mentally ill.

I know that question might not be clear so, examples:

A. Let us say that there is a person; Joe. Joe was born a male. That is, all of Joe's body parts are male from birth. However, Joe does not want to be a man. Joe does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Joe likes some females, but only as friends; that is Joe is not sexually attracted to women. However, Joe wants to be a woman; a female. Joe wants to get sexual reassignment surgery to remove his male parts and replace them with female parts (or at least the closest human surgery can get to it). Joe also wants breast implants. Joe wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Joe wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Joe takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman. If Joe could, Joe would be willing to become pregnant and have one or more babies. Etc.

Aside from all of that Joe lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Joe once served his country in the military. Joe votes. Joe has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Joe mentally ill?

Question B to follow in the next post.
chaski On 5 minutes ago
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#5New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 04:53:26
@Cpat92 Said

Understandable, but this isn't about sexual orientation. It's mainly referring to genders, the transition process and the mental illnesses that affect those who transition from on gender to the other. We are also touching on the subject of those who are highly insecure of their bodies.


Question B

(Again, not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...)

A. Let us say that there is a person; Bill. Bill was born a male. That is, all of Bill's body parts are male from birth. However, Bill does not want to be a man. Bill does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Bill likes some females, but only as friends; that is Bill is not sexually attracted to women. However, Bill wants to be a man who dresses and acts like a woman; a female... or "shemale" in the somewhat rude vernacular. Bill does not want to get sexual reassignment surgery, However Bill does wants breast implants. Bill wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Bill wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Bill takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman.

Aside from all of that Bill lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Bill once served his country in the military. Bill votes. Bill has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Bill mentally ill?
Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#6New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 06:30:17
@chaski Said

Not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...

I have a question: Is a person who does not want to be whatever their physical gender is, mentally ill.

I know that question might not be clear so, examples:

A. Let us say that there is a person; Joe. Joe was born a male. That is, all of Joe's body parts are male from birth. However, Joe does not want to be a man. Joe does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Joe likes some females, but only as friends; that is Joe is not sexually attracted to women. However, Joe wants to be a woman; a female. Joe wants to get sexual reassignment surgery to remove his male parts and replace them with female parts (or at least the closest human surgery can get to it). Joe also wants breast implants. Joe wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Joe wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Joe takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman. If Joe could, Joe would be willing to become pregnant and have one or more babies. Etc.

Aside from all of that Joe lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Joe once served his country in the military. Joe votes. Joe has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Joe mentally ill?

Question B to follow in the next post.


To answer this: Joe is not mentally ill. There is the possibility of it arising due to the surgery. Reassignment surgery can come with health and financial risks. While it is good to be emotionally stable, it doesn't guarantee him being mentally stable. While though I haven't taken any (Don't plan to either as I'm not having reassignment surgery), it is possible that the hormone pills may come with side effects. While he is doing fine now, once Joe goes through the transition process, society may not be as accepting. Yes, there will be those that will not care, nor hate Joe for seeking his true self, but Society can be very cruel. There will be those (even in the LGBTQ community) that may not accept him and attack him. During the process, Joe may go through anxiety and/or depression and that can even lead to gender dysphoria, or body dysmorphia.

@chaski Said

Question B

(Again, not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...)

A. Let us say that there is a person; Bill. Bill was born a male. That is, all of Bill's body parts are male from birth. However, Bill does not want to be a man. Bill does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Bill likes some females, but only as friends; that is Bill is not sexually attracted to women. However, Bill wants to be a man who dresses and acts like a woman; a female... or "shemale" in the somewhat rude vernacular. Bill does not want to get sexual reassignment surgery, However Bill does wants breast implants. Bill wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Bill wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Bill takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman.

Aside from all of that Bill lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Bill once served his country in the military. Bill votes. Bill has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Bill mentally ill?


Answer: Possibly. While Bill may not suffer from gender dysphoria, it may be possibly Bill can suffer from or at be at risk of suffering from Body Dysmorphia. While he still wants to be a man, but wants to crossdress and go as far as getting breast implants, it may get to the point where Bill may want to start taking hormone pills, or may be dissatisfied with the current implants and wants to change. It may bother him at some point and constantly change. After a while he may want to become more feminine, or he may want to get rid of the implants. For situations like these (and the first one) an individual's mind may change. A lot of these things, especially if surgery is involved can cause one's mind to alter.


While I know everyone is not affected, or will develop one of the two mental illnesses, many are at risk and currently do suffer from it. There are factors like social media and others who are misinformed will lead to misinform others about these issues. People are at risk of becoming a victim of one of the two and saying it doesn't exist won't be good at all.
chaski On 5 minutes ago
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#7New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 06:57:05
@Cpat92 Said

To answer this: Joe is not mentally ill. There is the possibility of it arising due to the surgery. Reassignment surgery can come with health and financial risks. While it is good to be emotionally stable, it doesn't guarantee him being mentally stable. While though I haven't taken any (Don't plan to either as I'm not having reassignment surgery), it is possible that the hormone pills may come with side effects. While he is doing fine now, once Joe goes through the transition process, society may not be as accepting. Yes, there will be those that will not care, nor hate Joe for seeking his true self, but Society can be very cruel. There will be those (even in the LGBTQ community) that may not accept him and attack him. During the process, Joe may go through anxiety and/or depression and that can even lead to gender dysphoria, or body dysmorphia.



Answer: Possibly. While Bill may not suffer from gender dysphoria, it may be possibly Bill can suffer from or at be at risk of suffering from Body Dysmorphia. While he still wants to be a man, but wants to crossdress and go as far as getting breast implants, it may get to the point where Bill may want to start taking hormone pills, or may be dissatisfied with the current implants and wants to change. It may bother him at some point and constantly change. After a while he may want to become more feminine, or he may want to get rid of the implants. For situations like these (and the first one) an individual's mind may change. A lot of these things, especially if surgery is involved can cause one's mind to alter.


While I know everyone is not affected, or will develop one of the two mental illnesses, many are at risk and currently do suffer from it. There are factors like social media and others who are misinformed will lead to misinform others about these issues. People are at risk of becoming a victim of one of the two and saying it doesn't exist won't be good at all.



Thank you for your thoughtful answers... time now for me to ponder what you've said.
nooneinparticular On August 11, 2020




, Hawaii
#8New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 08:18:53
@chaski Said

Not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...

I have a question: Is a person who does not want to be whatever their physical gender is, mentally ill.

I know that question might not be clear so, examples:

A. Let us say that there is a person; Joe. Joe was born a male. That is, all of Joe's body parts are male from birth. However, Joe does not want to be a man. Joe does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Joe likes some females, but only as friends; that is Joe is not sexually attracted to women. However, Joe wants to be a woman; a female. Joe wants to get sexual reassignment surgery to remove his male parts and replace them with female parts (or at least the closest human surgery can get to it). Joe also wants breast implants. Joe wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Joe wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Joe takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman. If Joe could, Joe would be willing to become pregnant and have one or more babies. Etc.

Aside from all of that Joe lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Joe once served his country in the military. Joe votes. Joe has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Joe mentally ill?

Question B to follow in the next post.


If the question is 'Does Joe have Gender Dysphoria?', then I suppose the answer would be it depends. The thing about mental health diagnosis is that one requirement of most DSM diagnosis' I've read requires that the subject be under distress and/or the situation in question affects the individual significantly socially, at work, or in other important areas of life.

Assuming such is the case we move on to the next determining factor. This gives the criteria for determining whether someone has Gender Dysphoria according to the DSM 5. I'd say that 'a deep desire to transform into another gender', and an 'intense desire to have the primary or secondary sex features of the other gender' are fulfilled by Joe's admission to wanting to be a woman, and Joe's willingness to become pregnant respectively. So it would appear that Joe might have Gender Dysphoria as outlined by the DMS 5. More indicators would make a stronger case, but we don't really know how Joe feels about most of the criteria in the diagnosis. Of course it would be impossible to be sure without an actual psychological evaluation, but since these are hypothetical people this is probably as close as we'll get.

@chaski Said

Question B

(Again, not arguing with your nor disagreeing with you...)

A. Let us say that there is a person; Bill. Bill was born a male. That is, all of Bill's body parts are male from birth. However, Bill does not want to be a man. Bill does not like male things; clothing, sports, shaving, etc. Bill likes some females, but only as friends; that is Bill is not sexually attracted to women. However, Bill wants to be a man who dresses and acts like a woman; a female... or "shemale" in the somewhat rude vernacular. Bill does not want to get sexual reassignment surgery, However Bill does wants breast implants. Bill wants to wear his hair like a woman, wear clothing like a woman, etc. Bill wants to have a meaningful loving relationship, which includes sexual activity, with a man. Bill takes hormones to help himself look more and more like a "real" woman.

Aside from all of that Bill lives a pretty emotionally stable life. Bill once served his country in the military. Bill votes. Bill has a good legal job. No criminal record. Works and works hard. Is mostly a good person (I say "mostly" because we can all have our moments of being jerks).

> Is Bill mentally ill?


Now onto Bill. Bill is, from what I can guess, non-binary. From what I can tell, this designation is acknowledged by the APA as an umbrella term. Bill want's to adopt the secondary sex characteristics of another gender, as evidenced by their desire for breast implants. As with the last example, we don't really know and can't really infer much about most of Bill's feelings in regards to the questions the DSM puts forth. That being said, if we accept that being 'a man who dresses and acts like a woman' is a valid gender that falls under non-binary, we can reasonably assert that this person wishes to transform into that gender, which is more indication of the presence of Gender Dysphoria. As with the last example, these alone do not 'lock in' a diagnosis by any means, but the question itself is reasonably raised.
nooneinparticular On August 11, 2020




, Hawaii
#9New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 08:40:10
@Cpat92 Said

To answer this: Joe is not mentally ill. There is the possibility of it arising due to the surgery. Reassignment surgery can come with health and financial risks. While it is good to be emotionally stable, it doesn't guarantee him being mentally stable. While though I haven't taken any (Don't plan to either as I'm not having reassignment surgery), it is possible that the hormone pills may come with side effects. While he is doing fine now, once Joe goes through the transition process, society may not be as accepting. Yes, there will be those that will not care, nor hate Joe for seeking his true self, but Society can be very cruel. There will be those (even in the LGBTQ community) that may not accept him and attack him. During the process, Joe may go through anxiety and/or depression and that can even lead to gender dysphoria, or body dysmorphia.


This does not affect the diagnosis of whether or not someone has Gender Dysphoria. It simply lists some possible side effects of some treatments for it.

Quote:

Answer: Possibly. While Bill may not suffer from gender dysphoria, it may be possibly Bill can suffer from or at be at risk of suffering from Body Dysmorphia. While he still wants to be a man, but wants to crossdress and go as far as getting breast implants, it may get to the point where Bill may want to start taking hormone pills, or may be dissatisfied with the current implants and wants to change. It may bother him at some point and constantly change. After a while he may want to become more feminine, or he may want to get rid of the implants. For situations like these (and the first one) an individual's mind may change. A lot of these things, especially if surgery is involved can cause one's mind to alter.

While I know everyone is not affected, or will develop one of the two mental illnesses, many are at risk and currently do suffer from it. There are factors like social media and others who are misinformed will lead to misinform others about these issues. People are at risk of becoming a victim of one of the two and saying it doesn't exist won't be good at all.


Body Dysmorphia is usually characterized by an obsession with perfection. While it might share some similarities with those experiencing regret over sexual reassignment surgery, I think the connection to Body Dysmorphia is rather tenuous at best. Unless we're saying that regret is a sign of an OCD-type disorder?
Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#10New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 08:45:18
@nooneinparticular Said

This does not affect the diagnosis of whether or not someone has Gender Dysphoria. It simply lists some possible side effects of some treatments for it.



Body Dysmorphia is usually characterized by an obsession with perfection. While it might share some similarities with those experiencing regret over sexual reassignment surgery, I think the connection to Body Dysmorphia is rather tenuous at best. Unless we're saying that regret is a sign of an OCD-type disorder?



Do you not think that some individuals going through sexual reassignment surgery don't tend to obsess over their bodies?
nooneinparticular On August 11, 2020




, Hawaii
#11New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 08:54:43
@Cpat92 Said

Do you not think that some individuals going through sexual reassignment surgery don't tend to obsess over their bodies?


The differences being that:

A) Sexual Reassignment Surgery has a relatively high success rate for alleviating mental distress of those who choose to go through with it.

B) Body Dysmorhpia is characterized by obsession over a body parts flaws in such a minor fashion as to be 'meaningless' to most other people. Most people can tell the difference between someone with breasts and someone without at a fairly quick glance. Body Dysmorphia involves obsessing over things like how your teeth might not be perfectly straight, or how you might not have the figure you want. It is also fairly common for those assessments to be wrong. Someone may feel that their ears are lopsided when in reality they aren't. Or that someone may be too fat, when they are literally wasting away to nothing and in danger of dying from starvation.
Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#12New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 09:05:04
@nooneinparticular Said

The differences being that:

A) Sexual Reassignment Surgery has a relatively high success rate for alleviating mental distress of those who choose to go through with it.

B) Body Dysmorhpia is characterized by obsession over a body parts flaws in such a minor fashion as to be 'meaningless' to most other people. Most people can tell the difference between someone with breasts and someone without at a fairly quick glance. Body Dysmorphia involves obsessing over things like how your teeth might not be perfectly straight, or how you might not have the figure you want. It is also fairly common for those assessments to be wrong. Someone may feel that their ears are lopsided when in reality they aren't. Or that someone may be too fat, when they are literally wasting away to nothing and in danger of dying from starvation.


Just because the success rate is high doesn't mean there isn't a risk.

Body Dysmorphia can affect many people. Bodybuilders, models, etc. It may be possible that some of those individuals may be transgender. They don't necessarily have to suffer from Gender Dysphoria. Those things like obsessing over teeth, or figure, or being fat can affect them as well, can it not?
nooneinparticular On August 11, 2020




, Hawaii
#13New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 09:25:25
@Cpat92 Said

Just because the success rate is high doesn't mean there isn't a risk.

Body Dysmorphia can affect many people. Bodybuilders, models, etc. It may be possible that some of those individuals may be transgender. They don't necessarily have to suffer from Gender Dysphoria. Those things like obsessing over teeth, or figure, or being fat can affect them as well, can it not?


I mean that if they actually had Body Dysmorphia masquerading as Gender Dysphoria then why would getting sexual reassignment surgery fix that? We both know that gender reassignment surgery, even from just a physical perspective, is very far from perfect. If someone with no breasts was obsessed with having the most perfect female breasts then I don't think surgery's going to help them.
Erimitus On 29 minutes ago




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#14New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 11:01:28
@Cpat92 Said

Understandable, but this isn't about sexual orientation. It's mainly referring to genders, the transition process and the mental illnesses that affect those who transition from on gender to the other. We are also touching on the subject of those who are highly insecure of their bodies.



OH
Cpat92 On August 07, 2020
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Lauderhill, Florida
#15New Post! Feb 18, 2019 @ 17:09:37
@nooneinparticular Said

I mean that if they actually had Body Dysmorphia masquerading as Gender Dysphoria then why would getting sexual reassignment surgery fix that? We both know that gender reassignment surgery, even from just a physical perspective, is very far from perfect. If someone with no breasts was obsessed with having the most perfect female breasts then I don't think surgery's going to help them.



Who said sexual reassignment surgery fixes it? Who said it will ever fix it?
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