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GreatestIam2 On September 21, 2020




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! May 25, 2011 @ 16:01:51
Do Christians value their moral sense?

Was Eden, the fall or the elevation of mankind?
A moral sense is what is developed by our study of morals and ethics.
In Eden, this study came in the form of a tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Adam and Eve, as neophytes to life, were not aware of what was good or evil because they had yet to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and had yet to develop morals, until after absorbing the information set out by God for their consumption.
This assumes of course that God wanted man with autonomy and a moral sense.

This gain is clearly spoken of by God when he stated that A & E had become as Godís, knowing good and evil. The fact that he threw a sissy fit when we did elevate ourselves is why Christians call Eden the fall of man.

I find it strange that Christians see our gaining of a moral sense as a fall. Christians do not seem to give a high value to their moral sense and think that we were in Eden strictly to obey and not learn that we are autonomous beings.
Yet strangely, most Christians say that they would do exactly as Eve did and that they would not stop her. They value it yet call it a fall.

The Jews and Hebrew interpreted their scriptures as Eden being our elevation. Not our fall. They were quite surprised when Christianity began to read scriptures literally, even the Jewish ones, that the Jews never took literally.

Did Christianity get the story wrong?
Was Eden our elevation and not our fall?
Do you value your moral sense or would you stop Eve if you could?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kdxgJB9is

https://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

Regards
DL
TenaciousDave On June 28, 2020
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Jeffrey Dahmer's Lunchbox,
#2New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 03:35:39
Octavarium On January 04, 2018




Pacific North West,
#3New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 04:44:48
TenaciousDave On June 28, 2020
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Jeffrey Dahmer's Lunchbox,
#4New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 04:48:45
Octavarium On January 04, 2018




Pacific North West,
#5New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 04:59:06



It'll be alright man, just go with the flow

TenaciousDave On June 28, 2020
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Jeffrey Dahmer's Lunchbox,
#6New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:05:16
@Octavarium Said

It'll be alright man, just go with the flow




Octavarium On January 04, 2018




Pacific North West,
#7New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:15:15


aww, you just need a hug

TenaciousDave On June 28, 2020
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Jeffrey Dahmer's Lunchbox,
#8New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:20:22
@Octavarium Said

aww, you just need a hug




Grasshopper On November 06, 2017
Just me.





Fort Collins, Colorado
#9New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:33:05
Oh fanatic. Another trying to prove everybody wrong. Sure, always question the Christians. Because that's the only thing you can't get sued for.
Octavarium On January 04, 2018




Pacific North West,
#10New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:36:23



howmuchisthatdoggie On January 09, 2013




, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 05:58:04
Thank God I'm not a Christian around these here parts eh.... ?
TenaciousDave On June 28, 2020
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Jeffrey Dahmer's Lunchbox,
#12New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 08:26:51
@Grasshopper Said

Oh fanatic. Another trying to prove everybody wrong. Sure, always question the Christians. Because that's the only thing you can't get sued for.



jmo On July 11, 2020
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 08:31:13
@Grasshopper Said

Oh fanatic. Another trying to prove everybody wrong. Sure, always question the Christians. Because that's the only thing you can't get sued for.



Tbf the Christians have got s***-loads wrong. Don't get me wrong, so too have the Muslims, Jews, Hindus and zoroastrians, but the Christians are the most numerous and dangerous so deserve the most criticism.
tariki On September 16, 2012

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, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 11:27:03
@jmo Said

Tbf the Christians have got s***-loads wrong. Don't get me wrong, so too have the Muslims, Jews, Hindus and zoroastrians, but the Christians are the most numerous and dangerous so deserve the most criticism.



Havent we all got something wrong? At times, if not all the time? I suppose some are wronger than others, and some certainly cause more misery by insisting that their wrong is the ONLY right. Maybe its a case of needing to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I wouldnt put all Christians in one basket, there are certainly plenty of varieties. At the end of the day we are all individuals. As far as the Fall, and the moral sense, there is in the Eastern Orthodox way the idea of the O felix culpa....

"O happy fault that merited such and so great a Redeemer." The medieval theologian Thomas Aquinas cited this line when he explained how the principle that "God allows evils to happen in order to bring a greater good therefrom" underlies the causal relation between original sin and the Divine Redeemer's Incarnation, thus concluding that a higher state is not inhibited by sin. The Catholic saint Ambrose also speaks of the fortunate ruin of Adam in the Garden of Eden in that his sin brought more good to humanity than if he had stayed perfectly innocent. (Wikipedia)

This gives a different gloss on things.

Personally I see a lot to learn and reflect upon in much Christian thought concerning "right" and "wrong"; read much by Christians who value the moral sense. Its said that only "right" that is done "in Christ" is truly moral. This so, because the implication is that any such act (i.e. "in Christ" ) is born of a spontaneous freedom of will centred upon Grace and gratitude, rather than of any attempt at self-justification that will inevitable lead to judgement of others who do not measure up to our own standards. This insight - if such it is - is played out in various faiths.

I think GreatestIam shares with me the sad observation that the "fundamentalist" and "Biblical literalist" mindset ( a mindset not entirely absent from any of us) perverts such insights by mangling them with creeds and doctrines that distort any hope of doing anything other than divide people.

Grasshopper On November 06, 2017
Just me.





Fort Collins, Colorado
#15New Post! Jun 26, 2011 @ 15:47:34
@jmo Said

Tbf the Christians have got s***-loads wrong. Don't get me wrong, so too have the Muslims, Jews, Hindus and zoroastrians, but the Christians are the most numerous and dangerous so deserve the most criticism.



tbf? Can you spell the actual words?

YOu saying I deserve critisism? People sure got a big head about critisising. They want everyubody to be treated equally, yet they label all christians as something bad. It sickens me.
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