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GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Nov 26, 2010 @ 21:23:54
Did religions create science to further their Gods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrI1FsH4UH8&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbW_xKRBt_M&feature=related

After a bit of research on how religions began and knowing that what were relatively small temples in the beginning, almost what we would call house churches today, I wondered how and why they became popular or won converts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2h4KueeElo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMXHL2cRNzw&feature=related

Add these prophets and God?s to the Gnostic mystery schools and you get an idea of all the competition. Was it just between magicians and scientists with a bit of theology thrown in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_meC_o_IDs&feature=related

Science would have been the tool to fool people into thinking that magic was being done. Everything from fire walking to levitation and mysteriously crying and moving statues.

God then would have been man made even as Gnostics of various religions were pushing for a God within as opposed to the God without pushed by the Churches who were more interested in locking in their converts to their thinking and that their hierarchy were required as the pathway to God.
Gnostics on the other hand said that all had a direct path to God and that Churches and priests were not necessary. Could they have been the true shaman of that day?

Gnostics believed more as Joseph Campbell did and pushed for personal growth an apotheosis by confronting God and mastering of ones self.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

Add that to this. Wait till minute 5 + for the good stuff on myths and ignore the fear mongering of the LHC. It just happens that I could not find this work on it?s own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2StRb3F0j6k&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y6tJGnww

These show just how religions began and how they differed from the religious beliefs we hold today.

It was all myths from mostly plagiarized Egyptian sources.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news


If I am lucky, after viewing all of this information, you will conclude as I do that---

Religions, other than the Gnostic based ones are pure myth.

That religions may have been the first to push science forward to help perpetuate it?s myths, through magic.

That the state likely took over this science to further it?s war efforts.

That Gnosticism, defined as basically the questioning of all beliefs, can lead to apotheosis or a rapprochement to the Godhead via knowledge and that this is the only way to truly have that personal relationship to God that all religionists seek.
It just happens to not be the mythical Bible God.

What are your thoughts?

Regards
DL
spawn On December 01, 2010




Burlington, Kansas
#2New Post! Nov 26, 2010 @ 22:33:31
No, religions did not. Don?t believe anything ~ least of all because it is on the web. You are getting a distorted view of Gnostic. You have an even more distorted view of magic. There are several kinds of magic. There are three distinct kinds that are somewhat interrelated that you are misjudging totally and some of which you are confusing, along with the material at your links, with Gnosis.

Magic as slight of hand and hypnosis is just a performing art and little more. However, it did originate in a form that was a study of the human mind and perception. This is again a serious area of study in science and optical illusion, slight of hand, and hypnosis do reveal a great deal about the human mind.

Magick is much like what you imagine Gnostic is and is a collection of contemplations, exercises, rituals, and disciplines designed to develop the mind and the will.

Majik uses lifestyle and challenging situations much like the derived methods of Magick to achieve that same goal.

Gnosis is fundamentally a process for achieving transcendent consciousness. There are actually four basic ways it can be pursued. One can go by the path of the Fakir and transcend suffering; one can go the path of the Sufi and transcend joy; on can recluse themselves as an Ascetic and transcend desire; or one can go the way of the Mahatma and transcend the fullness of life itself.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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#3New Post! Nov 26, 2010 @ 23:04:54
@GreatestIam2 Said

Did religions create science to further their Gods?
DL


To answer your question: No. Religions did not create science to further their gods. (It seems that you may have missed a few history and science classes back in school, but I don?t know.)


I could be wrong, but it looks like that what you are really trying to present is ?Religions are pure myth?.


(BTW?way too many links?)
spawn On December 01, 2010




Burlington, Kansas
#4New Post! Nov 26, 2010 @ 23:14:49
@chaski Said

To answer your question: No. Religions did not create science to further their gods. (It seems that you may have missed a few history and science classes back in school, but I don?t know.)


I could be wrong, but it looks like that what you are really trying to present is ?Religions are pure myth?.


(BTW?way too many links?)



No, religions are not pure myth. Myths can be very constructive. Religions are social constructs, just like politics, and generally harmful? just like politics.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#5New Post! Nov 27, 2010 @ 00:08:56
@spawn Said

No, religions are not pure myth. Myths can be very constructive. Religions are social constructs, just like politics, and generally harmful? just like politics.



Actually I was trying to paraphrase what I think GreatestIam2 was really getting at.

However, just because religions can be constructive doesn't mean that they are not in fact Myths. I am not going to bother looking up the definition of "myth", but if god does not exist, or if the particular god or gods of a given religion do not exist, then that religion would be a myth.

I agree that religions are social constructs, but personally view the vast majority ( including the Judeo-Chrisitan-Islam system(s) ) as myth... but that is just my opinion.
spawn On December 01, 2010




Burlington, Kansas
#6New Post! Nov 27, 2010 @ 01:55:01
@chaski Said

Actually I was trying to paraphrase what I think GreatestIam2 was really getting at.

However, just because religions can be constructive doesn't mean that they are not in fact Myths. I am not going to bother looking up the definition of "myth", but if god does not exist, or if the particular god or gods of a given religion do not exist, then that religion would be a myth.

I agree that religions are social constructs, but personally view the vast majority ( including the Judeo-Chrisitan-Islam system(s) ) as myth... but that is just my opinion.



You are comprehending backwards. Myths are often constructive. Like poetry, they can often express things difficult to express otherwise. Religion is social insanity.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#7New Post! Nov 27, 2010 @ 02:02:38
a Myth has truth within words.
a myth, is just words.
humans having a spiritual nature, Myth or myth?
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