Death of George Floyd

4dforum.org,

Jun 11, 2020 @ 04:24:07

I understand what you are getting at. However, consider the minimum requirements to get into the USMC vs the US Army. The Marine Corps is smaller (lower manpower requirements) and can therefore demand higher minimum standards to enlist than the Army. The Army has much higher manpower requirements. Having less officers should mean having higher quality officers.

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Edited: June 11, 2020 @ 04:26

chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#107

Jun 11, 2020 @ 05:05:06

@4d4m Said

I understand what you are getting at. However, consider the minimum requirements to get into the USMC vs the US Army. The Marine Corps is smaller (lower manpower requirements) and can therefore demand higher minimum standards to enlist than the Army. The Army has much higher manpower requirements. Having less officers should mean having higher quality officers.

Or if you provide that right/correct level of training... and provide the appropriate level of supervision/management ... combined with policies and procedures that are taught, trained and enforced... then a higher number of officers does not mean that you have problems.... it means that you have a higher number of superior performing officers... thus helping and protecting the community at an optimum level.

PS
Your Marine Corps vs Army compassions is a fallacy. They have different missions and thus a different manpower requirement.

You might just as well compare Special Faces to Marines/Rangers to Infantry... but you would still be wrong because you haven't added in the Navy (deployed on ships) and Air Force (pilots) vs logistical support.... or you could compare county Sheriff's Departments with big city Police Departments vs State Troopers & Investigations divisions vs the various federal law enforcement agencies... each having its own manpower that is determined by its mission...

No... you are missing the core point... "it" is about training/policy/procedure and the steady consistent application and enforcement thereof.

You can have one man with a badge and a gun or 10,000 men with badges and guns... the quality of their performance will be based on their skill set (training and experience) and the rules with which they are bound and guided to do their jobs.

Poor policy and procedure and/or the failure to emplement and enforce correct policy and procedure will always lead to a failure of performance... sooner or later... regardless of how many people you have doing the job.

In the law enforcement world "it" boils down to ethics... which must be taught, trained, required and enforced... demanded.

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Edited: June 11, 2020 @ 05:18

mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#108

Jun 11, 2020 @ 12:37:52

"Ma'am, you called about neighborhood kids playing in your flower garden?"

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#109

Jun 11, 2020 @ 12:42:06

@chaski Said

You might just as well compare Special Faces to Marines/Rangers to Infantry...

Special Faces ... is that the PC term for Fugly?

Have you seen some of them Marines?!!

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gakINGKONG

, Florida

#110

Jun 11, 2020 @ 13:13:05

Now, THAT was a very fancy funeral. Ya'll see the horses?

I have to admit I didn't see it but just a smidge.

Not much time for television.

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chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#111

Jun 11, 2020 @ 14:21:49

@mrmhead Said

Special Faces ...

Yes... the spelling went off the rails on that one.

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Edited: June 11, 2020 @ 14:24

Darkman666

Saint Louis, Missouri

#112

Jun 11, 2020 @ 14:40:08

with george's funeral on tv, just last five to ten years, all the primetime and cable news channels are doing for the ratings. i didn't waste my time watching the funeral.

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#113

Jun 11, 2020 @ 14:42:25

@chaski Said

Yes... the spelling went off the rails on that one.

I guess it's better than comparing Special Feces to Marines

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DiscordTiger

The Queen of Random

Administrator

Emerald City, United States (g

#114

Jun 11, 2020 @ 22:51:05

I’d personally be really happy to defund the police and use some of that money to provide a different type of necessary service.

For example. We call the police a lot on homeless patrons. They don’t really need a cop with an attitude ready to deliver excessive force if they feel disrespected.

They usually need someone with some social work training, access to resources or info about resources, and some initial understanding.

If a person if homeless and having a bad day because no one wants them around because they “smell” aresting or worse killing them is not the answer.

The library needs to call someone because it’s escalating and we are not social workers either.

Basically there is a need for more social work/help in all areas. Something with some understanding not authority.

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DiscordTiger

The Queen of Random

Administrator

Emerald City, United States (g

#115

Jun 11, 2020 @ 22:55:44

What happens is our staff usually tries mediating conflict, and not calling cops because we can’t trust their response.
The “plan” coming down from the chief has also been awful and problematic. They are approaching the problem with the wrong tools.

Essentially, working with the homeless meant basically repeatedly harassing them and running every that looked scruffy “the hell out dodge”. That’s not right either.
And it doesn’t solve the problem and actually makes our staff feel less secure.

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4d4m

4dforum.org,

#116

Jun 12, 2020 @ 00:55:06

@chaski Said

Or if you provide that right/correct level of training... and provide the appropriate level of supervision/management ... combined with policies and procedures that are taught, trained and enforced... then a higher number of officers does not mean that you have problems.... it means that you have a higher number of superior performing officers... thus helping and protecting the community at an optimum level.

PS
Your Marine Corps vs Army compassions is a fallacy. They have different missions and thus a different manpower requirement.

You might just as well compare Special Faces to Marines/Rangers to Infantry... but you would still be wrong because you haven't added in the Navy (deployed on ships) and Air Force (pilots) vs logistical support.... or you could compare county Sheriff's Departments with big city Police Departments vs State Troopers & Investigations divisions vs the various federal law enforcement agencies... each having its own manpower that is determined by its mission...

No... you are missing the core point... "it" is about training/policy/procedure and the steady consistent application and enforcement thereof.

You can have one man with a badge and a gun or 10,000 men with badges and guns... the quality of their performance will be based on their skill set (training and experience) and the rules with which they are bound and guided to do their jobs.

Poor policy and procedure and/or the failure to emplement and enforce correct policy and procedure will always lead to a failure of performance... sooner or later... regardless of how many people you have doing the job.

In the law enforcement world "it" boils down to ethics... which must be taught, trained, required and enforced... demanded.

Again going off like you know all about it

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4d4m

4dforum.org,

#117

Jun 12, 2020 @ 01:00:24

The comparison between the Coast Guard and the Navy is the same, the Coast Guard has smaller manpower requirements and higher enlistment standards.

There is no small Air Force unless it's the Space Force, not sure what requirements are.

Special Forces and Green Beret applicants must have attained the rank of seargent in their field then they apply to the training program. If they are a Marine and they cross enlist (and stay in the same field) the Army promotes them one rank. If they get accepted (very competetive) they go to the school and if they don't wash out they move on to their training course. Re enlistment is required, not sure about the Green Berets but the Special Forces course is 2 years long. Basically these guys have been vetted ahead of time.

I agree with you on the training point but. you can't fix stupid. And you aren't going to fix psychopaths either.

This Chauven guy was fired from previous departments, there is really something wrong with hiring him in the first place

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Edited: June 12, 2020 @ 01:06

chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#118

Jun 12, 2020 @ 01:33:38

@4d4m Said

Again going off like you know all about it

As it turns out I do that which I wrote... 26 years worth of experience.

And again from you... nothing salient or factual.

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4d4m

4dforum.org,

#119

Jun 12, 2020 @ 01:33:51

US Army minimum ASVAB requirement score-31
USMC minimum ASVAB requirement score-32

US Army maximum age for enlistment -35
USMC maximum age for enlistment -28

US Army minimum education requirement -HS Equivalent
USMC minimum education requirement -HS Diploma (or GED plus 30 college credits)

US Army personnel Active Duty 472,595
National Guard 331,881
Reserves 191,007

USMC personnel Active Duty 192,000
Reserves 38,500

The US Army fields 14 active combat divisions and 8 reserve divisions

The USMC fields 3 active combat divisions and 1 reserve division

because the Marines have a lower manpower requirement they can require higher minimum enlistment standards. The US Army has higher manpower requirements and must have lower enlistment standards.

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Edited: June 12, 2020 @ 01:36

chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#120

Jun 12, 2020 @ 01:34:48

@4d4m Said

The comparison between the Coast Guard and the Navy is the same,

In that you are making the same erroneous comparison.

Their missions are different, as is their training... manpower... funding.

But go ahead keep making a fool of yourself.

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