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jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#1New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:19:12
I saw this alluded to in another thread. I'd like to start a discussion about it, but hopefully without the flames and outrage that often accompany this sort of discussion.

Let's try to keep it civil.

Hinckleylad, a member of the BNP, said something about blacks more often engaging in violent crime than other racial groups, presumably whites. My questions, posed to everyone, are:

1) Is this actually true? Provide some statistics.

2) If it's true, why is that the case? What factors, in your mind, contribute to this?
psycoskunk On June 30, 2020
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#3New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:23:09
Depends on where you live. In Vancouver, we have similar problems, except instead of blacks, it's natives. But then again, they have a lot of reasons to be pissed off.
x_Laura_x On February 19, 2020
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#4New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:24:36
Apparently crime commited by black people is high in London. I would search for some statistics but dinner is ready.
rubylights On April 24, 2019




Miami, Florida
#5New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:34:40
These statistics are indeed true.

https://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

The reasons why, however, can vary depending on which studies are performed.

Being a person who's lived in the 'ghetto' all her life, I can tell you that the main reason violent acts were performed in my town were in search of money. Definitely not the noblest excuse, but most people attacked others to take money, jewelry, sneakers, credit cards, whatever they could get their hands on.

I would also dare say that the second reason why people attacked others was for respect. In places like the one I grew up in, 'respect' is a very brash term. If someone disrespected you or a loved one, the only method of regaining one's 'honor', if you will, was through violence. It is, of course, a very immature and childish way of attaining respect, if indeed it can be called that, but most people don't think that way, unfortunately.

I've been attacked countless times for countless reasons, and up until recently, violence was a normal, and recurrent thing at school, on the street, anywhere, except work, really. I grew to expect it and I grew eyes on the back of my head, and I felt self-sufficient because I could handle any attack from anyone. That's usually what kids in inner cities look for, or at least in my town; a sense that 'nobody can mess with me', and that usually leads to attacks of violence as well.

Just my two cents...
treebee On April 13, 2015
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#6New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:39:40
For some reason in cities there are black areas and white areas, whether this is simply from where families were placed by the council many years ago or whether people feel more comfortable around people of the same skin colour i dont know.

But my point is, black crime will be higher in black populated areas.

These statistics can be manipulated to suit whatever purpose people want to prove.
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
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#7New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:45:43
Where I live, I think it's about even. Most of the crime is drug related or domestic battery.
rubylights On April 24, 2019




Miami, Florida
#8New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 18:50:02
@treebee Said

For some reason in cities there are black areas and white areas, whether this is simply from where families were placed by the council many years ago or whether people feel more comfortable around people of the same skin colour i dont know.

But my point is, black crime will be higher in black populated areas.

These statistics can be manipulated to suit whatever purpose people want to prove.


True. But the facts remain. There are more young black men in jail than there are in college. 91% of black people murdered in America were killed by other black people. And inner city crime is more than double of that which occurs in richer neighborhoods. Those are the facts. And anyone who's lived both in an inner city and in a more wealthy neighborhood won't doubt that they're true.

https://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/252/jpistudy.shtml
https://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html
treebee On April 13, 2015
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#9New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:07:29
@rubylights Said

True. But the facts remain. There are more young black men in jail than there are in college. 91% of black people murdered in America were killed by other black people. And inner city crime is more than double of that which occurs in richer neighborhoods. Those are the facts. And anyone who's lived both in an inner city and in a more wealthy neighborhood won't doubt that they're true.

https://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/252/jpistudy.shtml
https://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html



I can only speak for London, i cant possibly comment on America or even the rest of the UK. I do not think there are any public records in the UK stating the ethnicity of offenders. Im sure there are records but i strongly doubt they are made public as ethnicity is considered confidential information in the UK.

It is obvious there is a lot of crime committed by black people in London because the populus of black people is higher in london than anywhere else in the UK. Therefore people living in London are under the impression that most crime in the UK is committed by black people.

Where i live it is the black community that are most active with the church and community and police and organising after school clubs and homework clubs and whatnot, the only catch is that they have religion In different parts of London the picture is very different.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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#10New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:12:33
@jonnythan Said

I saw this alluded to in another thread. I'd like to start a discussion about it, but hopefully without the flames and outrage that often accompany this sort of discussion.

Let's try to keep it civil.

Hinckleylad, a member of the BNP, said something about blacks more often engaging in violent crime than other racial groups, presumably whites. My questions, posed to everyone, are:

1) Is this actually true? Provide some statistics.

2) If it's true, why is that the case? What factors, in your mind, contribute to this?



While I won't appeal to any statistical source, I agree that black people and other minority ethnics are represented proportionally more in crime statistics than the majority white population. Having studied this issue in sociology, I can offer a few insights.

Firstly, it is important to note that minority ethnics are also the victims of crime proportionally more often than white people are. They are generally poorer, have less access to good educational facilities and have poorer health. All of these disadvantages, I would conjecture, are a direct result of poverty; minority ethnics are partly less well-off because many have migrated from LEDCs, and partly because they are discriminated against by racists.

Also, the right-wing media tends to use minority ethnics as scapegoats and will give more publicity to crimes committed by them than by white people (this is purely because it is profitable to do so). This demonisation results in more discrimination, which causes more segregation and inequality and the vicious cycle continues, with imagined racial divides becoming actual economic divides and reinforcing the general stereotypes that exist.

Finally, it has been suspected for a long time by sociologists that the police tend to focus more on minorities because they are more likely to make justified arrests and seizures of illicit goods if they target them than if they focused on groups which are less likely to commit crime. This creates a misrepresentation in statistics, making the the differences in crime rates between different ethnics even greater.
rubylights On April 24, 2019




Miami, Florida
#11New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:28:34
@treebee Said

I can only speak for London, i cant possibly comment on America or even the rest of the UK. I do not think there are any public records in the UK stating the ethnicity of offenders. Im sure there are records but i strongly doubt they are made public as ethnicity is considered confidential information in the UK.

It is obvious there is a lot of crime committed by black people in London because the populus of black people is higher in london than anywhere else in the UK. Therefore people living in London are under the impression that most crime in the UK is committed by black people.

Where i live it is the black community that are most active with the church and community and police and organising after school clubs and homework clubs and whatnot, the only catch is that they have religion In different parts of London the picture is very different.



Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't catch that. I didn't realize you lived in London. My mistake.
hedkandi1984_21 On July 23, 2013




London, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:31:42
It could be true; it could be not. I'm still attempting to find statistics!

However, it is worth pointing out that this is not just a race issue, it's a class issue. I grew up in Brixton, South London, which is quite a rough area, and I'm very sure that high crime rates are down to issues such as lack of economic resources and lack of opportunities to improve your life, not just about being black.

Of course the rate of crime for black people in London is high- that's where most of us are! And that's because in the 50s and 60s, when the UK government asked for black people to come over from the Caribbean, they all ended up in London. And because families like to stick together, people who moved over later on tended to end up in the same areas.

Unfortunately, these are also the least lucrative areas, with poor employment prospects and crappy schools. I should know - despite demonstrating that we had brains, both my sister and I ended up in a secondary school with a 30% GCSE pass rate. Thanks to my mum moving us back to Barbados, we managed to get a decent education! That school was a single sex school, and 99.99% of the students were black. I refuse to believe that they were all dumb as s***. What kind of chances in life do any of them have?

That school really was terrible. I don't think I learned anything the whole year I was there

Rant over!
sarky On March 11, 2011




london, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:39:48
@treebee Said

For some reason in cities there are black areas and white areas, whether this is simply from where families were placed by the council many years ago or whether people feel more comfortable around people of the same skin colour i dont know.

But my point is, black crime will be higher in black populated areas.

These statistics can be manipulated to suit whatever purpose people want to prove.
It IS TRUE that black crime, or crime committed by ethnic minorities would be higher if the population of minoritites are higher in a particular area.
Glasgow for example, has a high crime rate as does Liverpool, the population in those two cities are white majority. Therefore the majority of crime committed in those cities are by white people.
The prison system as a whole is full of MAINLY white people due to white people being 92% of the population in the Uk.
Of course if you have mainly one group in one area, then the crime would be higher for that group.
One of the reasons or causes for crime among black youths could be lack of opportunity or that people expect no more of them.
Schools: There are unfortunatley some very racist teachers out there. Black boys especially achieve lower grades than their white counterparts. On entering school it is the reverse but slips in the last years of primary school.
Many black children are good runners/sportsmen. The schools urge the black boy to run, achieve medals for the schools, convince him that he has a future in P.E. Sadly in many cases all his energy is put into winning medals for the school, only for him to leave school with no other curriculam passes to speak of.
He then finds it extremely difficult to find employment.
This is one reason.
Black people on the hole are giving housing in poor areas.
They come out of school, apply for job after job only for them to be turned down.
One man i know went into work everyday only to find dog excretment on the vehicle which he had to drive every morning.
My son goes through the hassle of getting publicly humiliated being stopped and searched by the police as he,s going about his business on his way to University. Because he is classed as black, they assume he must be a criminal. Police rubbing his private parts, trying to jeer him up so they can make an arrest when they dont find a weapon.
Many WANT to work, WANT to achieve but see no other way forward when they have to deal with hatred and racism on a daily basis.
They are born here in many cases and seem to have to prove themselves over and over and still get turned away.
Is it no wonder many get depressed and turn to drugs or are full of anger at society.
A neighbour of mine worked here for 55 yrs, paid his taxes, bought a mercedes with his retirement payment. He recieved nasty racist letters through the post from people saying a black man had no right to own such a car! The car has also been scratched/damaged by jealous racists. For many its about surviving in a cruel world.
Wingsy On November 27, 2020
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#14New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:43:07
I studied criminal justice (if I ever finish my degree, I have about 6 classes left). Anyway, in my crime, statistics, and policies class, there was some discussion about how SOME (not all!) laws target people in lower class areas and result in longer prison terms, despite the fact that the crimes are actually proportionate. For example, crack cocaine carries a disproportionately longer prison sentence than powder cocaine. (I have NO CLUE where my book is to cite it, though ) There was also some discussion of whether or not a black person is more likely to be charged with first degree homicide even if the circumstances indicate a second degree homicide. It was an interesting class.

I also worked at a prison for while. The percentages of the inmates in that particular facility, in 2004, were as follows: blacks 49% whites 35% hispanics 10% all other races 6% (I still have that form and ran across it a few days ago).

I think that if you really look at it, the racial statistics of any given prison is going to depend on the populations of the areas served by that particular prison. There is another facility in Maryland that was (in 2004) nearly 70% white.
SparklyKatie On March 07, 2014
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#15New Post! Feb 26, 2009 @ 19:52:58
I think it comes down to status too, I'm not trying to stereotype here but 'most' black people or areas are run down and borderline poverty and 'most' white people are relatively well off, I think a better comparison would be to find out what percentage of whites and blacks turn to crime in low income or poverished areas, I bet it's pretty similar
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