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KAMPA On October 28, 2013
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Uhlan Bator, Mongolia
#226New Post! Dec 11, 2009 @ 13:32:25
Equine homosexuality is not something I object to!
Katie does not make idle talk,you should restrain your tongue when you deal with her. She could have you banned!
aquine On May 30, 2014
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Alice SPrings, Australia
#227New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 08:26:57
@buffalobill90 Said

The word "dogma" doesn't appear in scripture, but the scriptures contain established dogma. Likewise, the word "Bible" doesn't appear in scripture either; but that is the name which has be applied to the disparate group of books which the early Church slapped together for their political convenience.

Please refer to this 'established dogma'.

And remember that nothing was established before the Word of God.

Regarding your second false assumption, check the front cover.


God bless you.
aquine On May 30, 2014
Psalm 2 = Rev 11:15


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Alice SPrings, Australia
#228New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 08:26:57
@buffalobill90 Said

The word "dogma" doesn't appear in scripture, but the scriptures contain established dogma. Likewise, the word "Bible" doesn't appear in scripture either; but that is the name which has be applied to the disparate group of books which the early Church slapped together for their political convenience.

Please refer to this 'established dogma'.

And remember that nothing was established before the Word of God.

Regarding your second false assumption, check the front cover.


God bless you.
aquine On May 30, 2014
Psalm 2 = Rev 11:15


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Alice SPrings, Australia
#229New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 08:32:19
@buffalobill90 Said

Skin colour and heritage are meaningless and archaic reasons to arbitrarily group people into races. Everyone has a unique appearance, everyone has a different recent heritage - and everyone has the same ancient heritage. As for culture, that is artificial and has nothing to do with race; though many people develop cultures according to the perception that they belong to a distinct race, which is a myth.

Celebrate all the good that the belief in race gives us? What good has it ever done? All it does is divide people.

A True humanist. How sweet.

I actually agree with much of what you've said, yet the Truth of the matter is, within the set known as the human race there are many subsets.


God bless you.
aquine On May 30, 2014
Psalm 2 = Rev 11:15


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Alice SPrings, Australia
#230New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 08:35:01
@KAMPA Said

Equine homosexuality is not something I object to!
Katie does not make idle talk,you should restrain your tongue when you deal with her. She could have you banned!

You may not consciously object to it, yet in your swipe at my telling MarcusSextus that I love him, you reveal the damage that social acceptance of homosexual conduct does at a collective, sub-conscious level.


God bless you.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#231New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 11:04:26
@aquine Said

Please refer to this 'established dogma'.

And remember that nothing was established before the Word of God.

Regarding your second false assumption, check the front cover.


God bless you.



Was the front cover of the Bible written by any of the authors of the books in the Bible?

The Bible contains many doctrines which have been established by Christian institutions as dogma. For example, the assumption that Jesus is the son of God.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#232New Post! Dec 12, 2009 @ 11:05:16
@aquine Said

A True humanist. How sweet.

I actually agree with much of what you've said, yet the Truth of the matter is, within the set known as the human race there are many subsets.


God bless you.



"Subsets". Such as?
aquine On May 30, 2014
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Alice SPrings, Australia
#233New Post! Dec 13, 2009 @ 04:15:00
@buffalobill90 Said

"Subsets". Such as?

Caucasian. Asian. Eurasian. Negro.


God bless you.
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#234New Post! Dec 13, 2009 @ 12:55:23
@aquine Said

Caucasian. Asian. Eurasian. Negro.


God bless you.



Caucasian? People from the Caucasus, i.e. Armenia, Georgia etc. you mean? And Eurasia is a superstate in Orwell's 1984.

How do you distinguish and categorise people into these subsets? What decides it?
TheRealSimmonds On December 11, 2010




, United Kingdom
#235New Post! Dec 13, 2009 @ 14:00:57
I think this explains it:
https://s977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/TheRealSimmonds/?action=view&current=Stickman.jpg
I hope it helps.
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#236New Post! Dec 14, 2009 @ 00:45:34
@Marcussextus Said

I agree, it's just plain silly, PC madness, to deny the existence of race, in the general sense that is most commonly understood.
We accept different "breeds" in horses, dogs, cats, etc, and happily accept the relationship between lions and tigers, and other similar related groups of life.
So what makes US any different?
Bears are pure white, and HUGE, in the Arctic, brown, black, and brindled in the USA, different colours and patterns elsewhere. Human's are much the same, we variegated across the planet.
So what?
Same animal, different hide, different mating rituals, big deal.



@buffalobill90 Said

Skin colour and heritage are meaningless and archaic reasons to arbitrarily group people into races. Everyone has a unique appearance, everyone has a different recent heritage - and everyone has the same ancient heritage. As for culture, that is artificial and has nothing to do with race; though many people develop cultures according to the perception that they belong to a distinct race, which is a myth.

Celebrate all the good that the belief in race gives us? What good has it ever done? All it does is divide people.



Nice ideal, and while technically correct, you ignore human feelings about culture and identity at your peril, history has proven that time after time.
Care to respond to my post above?
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#237New Post! Dec 14, 2009 @ 00:58:19
@Marcussextus Said

Nice ideal, and while technically correct, you ignore human feelings about culture and identity at your peril, history has proven that time after time.
Care to respond to my post above?



Humans have no subspecies - a polar bear will not produce fertile offspring with a grizzly bear, but all humans can breed together. We have superficial differences in appearance, probably because of cultural segregation and artificial selection of traits, among other things. Difference in skin pigmentation is an adaptation to light intensity, but it doesn't actually vary that much. There are no differences worth making a fuss about.

I think culture and group identity prevent people from thinking for themselves; it buys small-scale unity at the expense of wider unity. It's been useful, but hopefully it won't last forever.
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#238New Post! Dec 14, 2009 @ 02:43:44
@buffalobill90 Said

Humans have no subspecies - a polar bear will not produce fertile offspring with a grizzly bear, but all humans can breed together. We have superficial differences in appearance, probably because of cultural segregation and artificial selection of traits, among other things. Difference in skin pigmentation is an adaptation to light intensity, but it doesn't actually vary that much. There are no differences worth making a fuss about.

I think culture and group identity prevent people from thinking for themselves; it buys small-scale unity at the expense of wider unity. It's been useful, but hopefully it won't last forever.



Sorry to keep niggling, but that appears to be a series of unsupportable assertions and assumptions.
I wouldn't disagree with your thoughts on the effects of culture et. al. nor your hope for the future.
Perhaps you missed my final line?
"Same animal, different hide, different mating rituals, big deal"
buffalobill90 On July 12, 2013
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Viaticum, United Kingdom
#239New Post! Dec 14, 2009 @ 03:07:31
@Marcussextus Said

Sorry to keep niggling, but that appears to be a series of unsupportable assertions and assumptions.
I wouldn't disagree with your thoughts on the effects of culture et. al. nor your hope for the future.
Perhaps you missed my final line?
"Same animal, different hide, different mating rituals, big deal"



The ursus genus includes most species of "bear" (it doesn't include pandas) but polar bears, brown bears and black bears are defined as different species since they can't produce fertile offspring together. Different species of bears have subspecies, such as grizzly bears, which can produce fertile offspring together. Apparently, all modern humans belong to the subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. So what are popularly defined as "races" are not subspecies of humans - they wouldn't receive this taxonomical categorisation because they are so genetically similar to each other. An important point is that human populations have 'clines' rather than sharp variations: the genetic variation between groups is gradual since there has been sufficiently frequent and widespread interbreeding among populations; this is especially the case in the globalised world.
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#240New Post! Dec 14, 2009 @ 03:40:33
@buffalobill90 Said

The ursus genus includes most species of "bear" (it doesn't include pandas) but polar bears, brown bears and black bears are defined as different species since they can't produce fertile offspring together. Different species of bears have subspecies, such as grizzly bears, which can produce fertile offspring together. Apparently, all modern humans belong to the subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. So what are popularly defined as "races" are not subspecies of humans - they wouldn't receive this taxonomical categorisation because they are so genetically similar to each other. An important point is that human populations have 'clines' rather than sharp variations: the genetic variation between groups is gradual since there has been sufficiently frequent and widespread interbreeding among populations; this is especially the case in the globalised world.



I obviously cannot dispute your facts, I naturally went looking for myself and what I found concurs with your post.
I still feel that since the vast majority of humanity feels relatively comfortable differentiating peoples by their obvious superficial differences, and don't usually possess the requisite biological education to understand their insignificance, my point stands, you ignore the beliefs of the majority at your peril.
I too would wish it otherwise, but since education and familiarity are the only known ways to overcome man's instinctive xenophobia, and those just aren't happening much around the planet, not in way that would help anyway, I can't see attitudes or beliefs changing anytime soon.
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