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Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 12:08:19
I just managed to delete the entire text of this just as I hit send. That's one of the perils of having an energetic 7 year old that I have to keep watching all the time.

I'll re-write.
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 12:53:44
Recently, the Organisation for Economic co-operation and Development (OECD) forecast a slump in UK national income of 11.5%, the worst in the developed world. Part of this assessment warned that failure to obtain a trade deal with the EU by the end of the transition period would make this slump much worse.

Number 10 became more assertive, mistaking machismo for strength. Chief Brexit negotiator David Frost wrote to Michel Barnier that some of Brussels proposals were "egregious" and "Not what any democratic country could sign up to."

But Barnier's proposals are based on the Political Declaration that Boris Johnson DID sign. How is the EU being egregious, by proposing that Britain stick to an existing agreement...?

Frost tweeted grandly that UK would seek no extension to the current talks, as if it held all the cards. But Frost negotiates on behalf of a small island nation with a damaged economy against the much bigger, more united and better organised EU.

Number 10 attempts to bully the EU thinking it can intimidate them into submission. This delusion is based on a willful misreading of what happened last Autumn when the EU agreed to a withdrawal agreement that was negotiated with the EU, by Teresa May (and at the time, Boris Johnson described it as a "turd" ).

The EU did this not because Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings were strong, but because those two agreed to accept what the EU had proposed in the first place before May inserted a few tweaks. Despite British claims that they'd "won", what Britain had done was sign up to what the EU were happy with in the first place.

But number 10 only understands machismo and triumphalism. The same thing was applied to the early stages of Coronavirus. While other world leaders were preparing for lockdown, Johnson was in hospitals shaking hands with Covid-19 sufferers and ostentatiously ignoring distancing measures. That would come home to roost for him later.

The message being sent out was that UK was sticking two fingers up at the virus.

Now, when the consequences of machismo don't go to plan with this government, they deny any culpability. As the British death rate soared, and the global chart revealed the scale of British deaths, it was dropped from daily briefings.

If the information doesn't fit their narrative the information is changed.

Dominic Cummings was caught out altering his previous blogs from months back, to fit events that had since transpired.

This changing of the narrative is what I believe will happen at the start of next year. At this time a "Liberated UK" is being hailed. If instead there is chaos, COVID-19 will be blamed. Having refused the offer of an extension, COVID-19 will be used as a shield for the turmoil of Brexit.

After Johnson's early assertiveness and handshaking he belatedly imposed a lockdown. Similarly he has had to change tack on face masks, quarantines, schools opening, the NHS, fees for foreign workers, the significance of test and trace, free meals for school children and much more.

On Brexit, when faced with how to handle the Northern Ireland border without the 50'000 extra staff he promised, and without building any of the planned customs sheds, there came a sheepish statement: UK government proposes that there won't be a border, well, not much of one. At least temporarily.

This was not an expedient compromise, it was a clash with reality because UK businesses already having to deal with COVID-19 were not ready and started getting on his back. The EU however, are much more advanced with their planning for customs in Ireland. As usual, the EU are much better prepared for border controls - And they aren't the ones that started Brexit...!!!!

The confusion also extends to food standards. Trade Secretary and former remainer Liz Truss assumed she would keep Brexit devotees in Westminster happy by pursuing speedy talks with USA over a trade deal. But the farming and food retail sector in UK is deeply worried about the double whammy of tariffs being imposed on exports to EU while UK will be flooded with cheap imports of low quality food that doesn't meet current safety standards, from US.

Johnson must secretly be cursing Truss for her newly discovered free market evangelism, risking everything on a trade deal with Trump, who could be gone by November. Johnson and his followers are bewildered by the complexity of it all and can't cope.

It is not wise to assume that sensible expediency will prevail where Brexit is concerned. Cummings still thinks he knows best and gives Johnson his orders accordingly. The Brexit core in Downing Street still think too that they know best and assume critics are stuck in an outdated metropolitan bubble.

The Tory government marched close to the cliff edge in their response to COVID-19. The next cliff edge looming is Brexit. The Tory party will not hesitate to jump.

They'll tell us that a war has been won and our world will flourish. But follow the pattern of the virus. If they jump and the economy sinks further, they'll deny they ever jumped in the first place.
dookie On about 2 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Jun 23, 2020 @ 16:21:10
Brexit looms alright! The original Referendum was held under the presumption of a Deal (such would be "easy" ) and the last GE in the UK was won partly - if not virtually completely - by the slogan of an "Oven Ready Deal".

Now "No Deal" looms......but who knows? (I suspect it is what the core of our current Govt actually wants - I may be wrong)

Possibly someone somewhere in what we could call the UK Government actually knows what they are doing, has some sort of plan. Dominic Cummings maybe.

But I have found, from participation on various comments sections, that arguments for and against Brexit, however cogent, rarely break through anyone's position on Brexit, for or against. Their position was decided prior to any arguments. Gut instincts.

I'm a Remoaner, but try not to moan too much.
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Jun 24, 2020 @ 20:29:12
@dookie Said

Brexit looms alright! The original Referendum was held under the presumption of a Deal (such would be "easy" ) and the last GE in the UK was won partly - if not virtually completely - by the slogan of an "Oven Ready Deal".

Now "No Deal" looms......but who knows? (I suspect it is what the core of our current Govt actually wants - I may be wrong)

Possibly someone somewhere in what we could call the UK Government actually knows what they are doing, has some sort of plan. Dominic Cummings maybe.

But I have found, from participation on various comments sections, that arguments for and against Brexit, however cogent, rarely break through anyone's position on Brexit, for or against. Their position was decided prior to any arguments. Gut instincts.

I'm a Remoaner, but try not to moan too much.



LOL.... There is no such thing as a remainer any more. That battle has been lost.

We are now Rejoiners.

See my siggy tag below.
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dookie On about 2 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Jun 24, 2020 @ 20:41:20
@Jennifer1984 Said

LOL.... There is no such thing as a remainer any more.



Hi, I just tend to go with the names I'm given...
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Jun 24, 2020 @ 21:31:58
@dookie Said

Hi, I just tend to go with the names I'm given...



I've had more names levelled at me than I care to remember. If I tried to use them all there wouldn't be room on the server to fit them all in.

"Lentil eating, tree hugging, loony lefty, lesbo, beanflicking, libtard remoaner" (or something quite similar) was a fairly recent one.

I took great exception to that. I can't stand lentils.
dihctatr On about 11 hours ago




Upland, California
#7New Post! Jun 25, 2020 @ 23:36:41
COVID19 NEW WAVE
The US breaks its national record for the highest number of new COVID-19 cases in a single day\
No mystery that Covid spiked after 2-3 weeks of protests/riots. I notice participants are inconsistent with masks, certainly aren’t socially distancing.
I WARNED YOU\
dihctatr On about 11 hours ago




Upland, California
#8New Post! Jun 25, 2020 @ 23:38:43
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BODY TEMPERATURE BEING NEAR 100 DEGREES\

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mrmhead 13 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#9New Post! Jun 26, 2020 @ 20:59:51
@dihctatr Said

COVID19 NEW WAVE
The US breaks its national record for the highest number of new COVID-19 cases in a single day\
No mystery that Covid spiked after 2-3 weeks of protests/riots. I notice participants are inconsistent with masks, certainly aren’t socially distancing.
I WARNED YOU\



Memorial Day would be a confounding variable.
You lose.
DiscordTiger On about 16 hours ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#10New Post! Jun 26, 2020 @ 23:48:57
@Jennifer1984 Said

I've had more names levelled at me than I care to remember. If I tried to use them all there wouldn't be room on the server to fit them all in.

"Lentil eating, tree hugging, loony lefty, lesbo, beanflicking, libtard remoaner" (or something quite similar) was a fairly recent one.

I took great exception to that. I can't stand lentils.



Did they answer back “Maybe you just haven’t had the *right* lentils.”

Ugh. Like you don’t know yourself. People suck. And not I. The good ways.
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Jun 27, 2020 @ 10:34:09
@DiscordTiger Said

Did they answer back “Maybe you just haven’t had the *right* lentils.”

Ugh. Like you don’t know yourself. People suck. And not I. The good ways.



If I'd wanted to wind them up I might have said I like European lentils but can't stand the British variety.

That might prompted them to add "unpatriotic and traitor" to the list of pejoratives.
dookie On about 2 hours ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Jun 27, 2020 @ 11:19:16
@Jennifer1984 Said

If I'd wanted to wind them up I might have said I like European lentils but can't stand the British variety.

That might prompted them to add "unpatriotic and traitor" to the list of pejoratives.



Humour is the best medicine. On the serious side the cry "you hate your own country" has been levelled at me more than once. This, I say truthfully, simply because I point out how many Polish pilots fought and died to defend the UK during the Battle of Britain; for pointing out how the defiance of the Norwegians during the early days of WW2 contributed to the successful defence of the UK when an invasion by the German forces was being seriously considered; by pointing out the 4m or so Commonwealth soldiers who enlisted early on during that conflict.

Sadly, such information cannot be integrated into the narrative of many......of the UK "standing alone as we saved the free world".

For such people WW2 consists of Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain, the spirit of the blitz, followed by the D-Day Landings.

"Little Englanders".
dihctatr On about 11 hours ago




Upland, California
#13New Post! Jun 29, 2020 @ 06:42:13
COVID19 NEW WAVE

No mystery that Covid spiked after 2-3 weeks of protests/riots. I notice participants are inconsistent with masks, certainly aren’t socially distancing.

you lose-get it?
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Jun 29, 2020 @ 08:04:56
@dihctatr Said

COVID19 NEW WAVE

No mystery that Covid spiked after 2-3 weeks of protests/riots. I notice participants are inconsistent with masks, certainly aren’t socially distancing.

you lose-get it?



Not in UK it didn't. Covid-19 peaked in UK in April and May. The BLM demonstrations took place in June when the virus was in recession. So far there has been no second spike and I wholeheartedly hope there won't be.

I don't know how things have gone where you are, but I think I'm on pretty safe ground if I suggest your situation won't have much to do with Brexit.
Jennifer1984 On about 19 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Jun 29, 2020 @ 08:05:51
Just checked the morning news.

Nope. No second wave in UK today. Let's hope it stays that way.
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