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chaski On 8 minutes ago
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#16New Post! Feb 14, 2020 @ 04:31:24
@4d4m Said


They are all articles about China. I didn't write any of them,


I'm pretty sure we are all smart enough to know that you didn't write them.
4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#17New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 05:49:22
There are some weird videos coming out of Wuhan China. This one is pretty rough. There are claims that the death toll is being under reported . This video purported to have been posted by a nurse at a hospital shows bodies stacked up.
mrmhead On about 2 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#18New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 14:19:17
Two bits of info I saw during news coverage:
Mortality rate is about 2% - the usual old, young and those with previous conditions are most at risk.

And more interesting - referencing my question above: Being a new virus to humans who don't have any natural resistance, infection rates can be as high as 60%


Meanwhile, back in the states:
"Seasonal Flu"
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 26 million flu illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths from flu.


And from Here

Key Updates for Week 6, ending February 8, 2020
Key indicators that track flu activity remain high and, after falling during the first two weeks of the year, increased over the last four weeks. Indicators that track overall severity (hospitalizations and deaths) are not high at this point in the season.
chaski On 8 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#19New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 17:25:31
@mrmhead Said

Two bits of info I saw during news coverage:
Mortality rate is about 2% - the usual old, young and those with previous conditions are most at risk.

And more interesting - referencing my question above: Being a new virus to humans who don't have any natural resistance, infection rates can be as high as 60%


Meanwhile, back in the states:
"Seasonal Flu"
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 26 million flu illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths from flu.


And from Here

Key Updates for Week 6, ending February 8, 2020
Key indicators that track flu activity remain high and, after falling during the first two weeks of the year, increased over the last four weeks. Indicators that track overall severity (hospitalizations and deaths) are not high at this point in the season.



So... if the "coronavirus" is a weaponized virus engineered by the Chinese government used with the intent to shut down the Hong Kong protests....

...then the logical assumption is that the flu is a weaponized virus engineered by the U.S. Government, and used to... ummm.... do something bad....

So what have we here learned?

> Clearly the U.S. Government is better at weaponizing viruses than China is.

mrmhead On about 2 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#20New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 17:31:50
@chaski Said

...then the logical assumption is that the flu is a weaponized virus engineered by the U.S. Government, and used to... ummm.... do something bad....



Thin the herd. Keep the population in check.

But it's bigger than just the US Gov't ...
Mother Nature is at it too!
chaski On 8 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#21New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 17:33:39
@mrmhead Said

Thin the herd. Keep the population in check.

But it's bigger than just the US Gov't ...
Mother Nature is at it too!



I'm pretty sure it is an evil liberal deep state attempt to kill off Trump supporters.

But that should be addressed in a different thread.
mrmhead On about 2 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#22New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 18:15:19
So ...
If a specific coronavirus vaccine were created and distributed, would you take it?

Would you be:
First in line
Wait a bit
Only if needed
No, Never


I think I would be "Only if needed".
Things to consider:
If it becomes widespread in the area, but I'm allowed to work from home most of the time, I'd hold off.
But if I had to go to work, or know I'm going out of town, I probably would.

I have family members to take into consideration.

And yes - even if there were a low percentage of getting sick from it, I'd still probably take it at some point.
chaski On 8 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#23New Post! Feb 15, 2020 @ 22:43:20
@mrmhead Said

So ...
If a specific coronavirus vaccine were created and distributed, would you take it?




Sure, I'll take it.

The Army stuck me so many times for so many things, what's one more?

My doctor once laughed at my shot record; Man...! You've been inoculated from everything but Japanese Encephalitis!



To be honest thought, I've never been inoculated for Ebola... That one frightens me a little... I'm sort of hoping the Rabies vaccine will help with that one, but I doubt "it" works like that...

4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#24New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:27:33
That's all very interesting. I'm not saying the Coronavirus is a weaponized virus, but it's virility is not really the issue. It's ability to distract world attention away from the Hong Kong Protests is. If that is the case and this is intentional rather than coincidental, , the "leaked" videos could be a part of that effort.
Of course I don't doubt the authenticity of the videos.
4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#25New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:36:14
Ebola virus is nasty. The descriptions of it remind me of Parvo in dogs. It's a canine specific disease. The reason it can be so virulent is because the virus lives in the feces and body fluids (the dog dies of dehydration from rapid loss of fluid). Since the behavior of dogs is such they will stick their nose in that mess and catch the disease themselves (transmission). Parvo has a very distinctive smell. The disease can survive all winter and be ready to infect another dog in the spring.
The problem with Ebola is it was ( at it's outset) too virulent to survive in human population. If Ebola were to infect a person in a village and wipe out everyone in it, the disease would die there. Similar to the 1918 Spanish Influenza selected in the trenches of WWI, it has started to become less virulent and can infect more people. It is not advantageous for the flu to kill the people it infects. it's advantageous for it to get them sick and spread the disease.
chaski On 8 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#26New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:44:53
@4d4m Said

Ebola virus is nasty. The descriptions of it remind me of Parvo in dogs. It's a canine specific disease. The reason it can be so virulent is because the virus lives in the feces and body fluids (the dog dies of dehydration from rapid loss of fluid). Since the behavior of dogs is such they will stick their nose in that mess and catch the disease themselves (transmission). Parvo has a very distinctive smell. The disease can survive all winter and be ready to infect another dog in the spring.
The problem with Ebola is it was ( at it's outset) too virulent to survive in human population. If Ebola were to infect a person in a village and wipe out everyone in it, the disease would die there. Similar to the 1918 Spanish Influenza selected in the trenches of WWI, it has started to become less virulent and can infect more people. It is not advantageous for the flu to kill the people it infects. it's advantageous for it to get them sick and spread the disease.



Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Stupid Hong Kong protesters! What am I going to do!?

Chinese Scientist > Paramount leader, I have an idea...

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Yes...?

Chinese Scientist > This new coronavirus that is beginning to spread around the world... let's infect someone and send them to Hong Kong...

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Won't that cause the virus to spread even more and it could come back to Mainland China and cause problems?

Chinese Scientist > Paramount leader we have 1.386 billion people... we kind of need a herd thinning anyway.

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > True... brilliant idea... do it.

Chinese Scientist >Yes sir.
4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#27New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:45:13
In any given population there are always mutations and differences. This is true of viruses. If you were to catch the flu, go home, and die in your apartment, that particular strain ( being too virulent ) would die with you. It is not beneficial to the survival of flu and therefore would not be selected. Knowing that, to weaponize a virus strain one would only have to be capable of isolating that strain. Then it could be used in hits, and the prognosis would be "death by influenza." It would not be a way to wipe out humanity or "cull the herd." It might be possible to select one that wasn't as virulent but still caused a lot of deaths, but it would soon evolve to be less virulent. Remember these diseases are executing a generation each time they infect a new host so the rate they evolve is quite rapid.
4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#28New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:46:33
@chaski Said

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Stupid Hong Kong protesters! What am I going to do!?

Chinese Scientist > Paramount leader, I have an idea...

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Yes...?

Chinese Scientist > This new coronavirus that is beginning to spread around the world... let's infect someone and send them to Hong Kong...

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > Won't that cause the virus to spread even more and it could come back to Mainland China and cause problems?

Chinese Scientist > Paramount leader we have 1.386 billion people... we kind of need a herd thinning anyway.

Paramount leader Xi Jinping > True... brilliant idea... do it.

Chinese Scientist >Yes sir.



LOL
4d4m On about 17 hours ago




4dforum.org,
#29New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:52:15
The unique thing I read about Coronavirus is it's incubation period. 24 days with the ability to infect other people during that time. That's troubling because the strain living in a host has reproduced before the person starts to get sick. Usually the disease is spreading from the coughs and sneezes of the host. Also, people take care of the sick and so get in close proximity to them during the time when they are contagious.
chaski On 8 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#30New Post! Feb 16, 2020 @ 04:53:54
@4d4m Said


If you were to catch the flu, go home, and die in your apartment, that particular strain ( being too virulent ) would die with you.



Not really... the flu would only die with you if you were the only person on planet earth to get that particular strain of flu, which is highly unlikely, and then went home with out transmitting it, and then died.

That is not a realistic scenario.

Basically what really happens is that viruses (including the flu) jump from one person to the next to the next... they don't just stop with one person... even when the mutate they don't stop with one person.

And when you are talking about a zoonosis it is even less likely to happen as you've described.


@4d4m Said

....but it would soon evolve to be less virulent....


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