Brexit

@Jennifer1984 Said

Which leads us to one of only two possible conclusions.

If they didn't know things were in there, and signed a legally binding agreement without reading it through properly and considering all the implications of what they were signing, then they are guilty of gross negligence.

If they DID know it was in there, but are simply trying to flannel their way out of the mess they've created and committing an act of crime against international law in the process, in which case they're not only criminals by virtue of the fact, but they're lying to the British people in the process.


Either way, this government is not fit for office.

@nooneinparticular Said

And apparently 'the majority' don't care. It may seem callous to say this, but clearly, they don't care about that or it's implications. Since the UK is a democracy, the minority view, for all intents and purposes, does not matter.

@Jennifer1984 Said

I've only just found this or I would have posted it sooner.

Former Labour Leader and Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition holds Johnson to account for his actions over the Withdrawal Agreement.

But....... see how Johnson folds his arms defensively..... rolls his eyes... shakes his head in denial and refuses to accept any responsibility for anything.

This is how we are being governed. It makes me want to weep for our country.

@Jennifer1984 Said

How prophetic..... this video clip has surfaced on Facebook.

Rik Mayall, in 2002, making the case for Britain leaving the EU. The Prime Minister is obviously a parody of Tony Blair. The invasion of Iraq is swapped for Cuba.




The sketch came from a British weekly sitcom of the time called "Believe Nothing". Even the title of the bloody programme was an accurate prophecy..!!

@dookie Said

Perhaps someone needs to tell him that given that he has unilaterally torn up the last deal he signed up to with __fill in the blank __ they just might not trust us to keep to the terms of any new deal.

@mrmhead Said

Again, taken out of context it applies to both sides of the bad-hair mirror.

@mrmhead Said

Again, taken out of context it applies to both sides of the bad-hair mirror.

@dookie Said

I hear what you say but alas the word "democracy" is misplaced in this context. Democracy is an ideal that in my opinion is worth striving for but is in fact unreachable.

The beginning of the Brexit fiasco was the calling of a Referendum on the UK's membership of the EU, Leave or Remain. The Referendum was called by Dave Cameron, then leader of the Tory Party - called in the hope of stopping the haemorrhaging of Tory votes to UKIP (the UK Independence Party) He obviously presumed that the UK would vote to Remain.

The rest is history. Once Leave won, all talk of "soft brexits", mooted in various way during the Campaign, were taken off the table, and the mantra "Leave MEANS Leave" was the soundbite of the day.

The above demonstrates why Referendums are not an integral part of our UK Constitution, which in fact is centered upon the pre-eminence of Parliament. Referendums are "advisory only".

All attempts to uphold a deeper democracy were cast aside by those who now insisted that democracy began and ended on 23/06/2016. To implement the result of the Referendum was the sole criteria of judging. My posts on various Comments Sections were met with derision......" you lost, get over it" perhaps the most eloquent. To argue that democracy involves citizens genuinely seeking to educate themselves, giving deep consideration to all relevant issues, this all on-going and self-generating, were the words of a "poor loser."

Sadly, my view is not that of the minority. Such is the end result of "democracy" being reduced to implementing one Referendum result.

Now just 39% think Brexit is a "good idea". In the last General Election more people voted for Parties offering renegotiation with the EU and/or a second Referendum. But our FPTP electoral system, basically corrupt, gave the Tories an 80 seat majority. So Brexit goes ahead, full steam.

And this must be added, though spoken of before. The facts are so hideous as to need repeating.....

Boris Johnson signed and sealed the Withdrawal Deal. He negotiated it. He then closed down Parliament (the true heart of UK democracy) illegally - declared so by the UK Law Lords - seeking to avoid scrutiny of its terms, then went to the nation selling it as the "Oven Ready Deal" that he would "get out at Christmas" to finalise things, won an 80 seat majority on such a platform, sacked 21 of his own Party for voting against the Deal........ now the man has the temerity to speak of it being "rushed through" and prepares to break International Law, tearing up the very terms he negotiated and sold to the nation.

Do people care? The sad thing is, those still in favour of Brexit seem happy to turn a blind eye. Which history shows is one step towards the destruction of genuine freedom for all.

@Jennifer1984 Said

Conservative party faithful have begun to turn on Boris Johnson after several MPs have claimed the COVID crisis has shown that the scatterbrained gaffe-prone dilettante they put in power has not miraculously transformed into a dignified statesman with razor-sharp focus.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, one backbencher said that he was shocked at how ineptly Boris Johnson had handled the complex and multifaceted approaches needed to deal with a modern pandemic.

He went on, “I was an early Boris convert. I wanted to put a bull in a china shop and particularly one that would just throw Latin around and grunt at those pesky journalists and civil servants. But now it turns out that misquoting Ovid and waving your arms around is not the best way to get all government departments to respond in an integrated way to a constantly changing epidemiological situation that profoundly impacts all aspects of society.

“Frankly, I feel betrayed. How was I supposed to know he was such an inept braggart apart from looking at his past actions and listening to him speak?
“Next you’ll tell me that selecting Cabinet members solely on how rabidly they hate Europe is a recipe for disaster as experts try to get decisions out of morons whose only skill is to brainlessly chant Daily Mail headlines during Question Time?”

The growing dissent in the party ranks has echoes of the 2003 ousting of Iain Duncan Smith, where members accused the dull insipid man they elected of being exactly as uninspiring and dreary as he had been during all his political career.

@nooneinparticular Said

When I say 'the majority' and 'the minority' like this, I actually just mean the minority and majority of the people who voted based on the rules of the system. This is why I have always said that just because the 'the majority' voted for one thing does not then mean that it can be taken as 'the will of the people'. It's also why I always found it funny that those for Brexit got all huffy about 'using emotive, apocalyptic language' while at the same time invoking war-time spirit and national exceptionalism.

The sad truth is, however, that whether or not anyone intended for these things to happen while voting, is an academic issue at best. People voted in this pattern twice, quite strongly. Is it 'fair' that FPTP allows for these types of outcomes? Apparently some think it is. Personally, I don't think that question particularly matters at this point. 'The country' has decided, either through fair or unfair means, to make this happen, and that is the only thing that matters. All of the 'stuff' that results from that decision is squarely on the heads of those who support such a move.

@nooneinparticular Said

'How was I supposed to know that the bull I let loose right in front of me would kick me in the face, even though I picked them expressly for the purpose of kicking people in the face?'