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shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#106New Post! Sep 17, 2019 @ 07:18:17
Speaking of the Lib Dems, their candidate for North Devon essentially said that people in the area voted Leave as they are overwhelmingly white, not well educated, don't travel much, have a low income and don't appreciate the benefits of being in the EU. Nice one.
mrmhead On about 18 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#107New Post! Sep 17, 2019 @ 11:57:54
@shadowen Said

Well it comes as absolutely no surprise to hear that the Lib Dems are now formally committed to 'overturning' Brexit. Their leader Jo Swineson had already stated previously that even if a 2nd referendum showed an even greater majority of Britons wanted the UK out of the EU she would still fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. Still, her party are neither liberal nor democratic so what else would you expect?

@shadowen Said

Speaking of the Lib Dems, their candidate for North Devon essentially said that people in the area voted Leave as they are overwhelmingly white, not well educated, don't travel much, have a low income and don't appreciate the benefits of being in the EU. Nice one.


Which raises the old debate as to what the Gov't is there for - To do the will of the people, or to do what is best for the people, because sometimes they are arguably not the same.

The "Will" of the people can be clarified with a vote, but what is "Best" for the people can be argued until the cows come home.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#108New Post! Sep 17, 2019 @ 15:55:01
The problem with the 2016 referendum was that Parliament in general (and the major parties in particular) were of the belief that the UK remaining within the EU was best for the country. They thought that when it came to voting that the majority of people would agree with them. They didn't. So parliament asked the people what they wanted them to do as their representatives. The majority said they wanted Parliament to take them out of the EU. But Parliament don't want to do this. So, for over three years they have dragged their feet and done all they can to stop the wishes of the majority from being realised. It's now at a point where the rebel alliance can't form a government in their own right (which is why they haven't tabled a vote of no confidence in the government), meanwhile the executive has been denied the power to govern. So effectively the government can't do it's job, but at this point in time the rebel alliance are blocking fresh elections which could resolve the impasse. It's a monumental mess and is a clear example of how democracy doesn't work without losers consent.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#109New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 16:46:54
Shock, horror...two remain campaign organisations have been found guilty of breaching electoral laws in the lead up to the 2016 people's vote.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#110New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:13:31
In light of the recent declaration from Jo Swineson re revoking article 50 and ignoring the single biggest democratic vote in the UK's history it was interesting listening to former Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown. As the votes were being counted in 2016 he stated that it is the duty of politicians to carry out the referendum vote, whatever the outcome, as the democratic system cannot run if politicians don’t accept the democratic judgment. He stated that he would forgive no one who didnt accept the sovereign voice of the British people once they have spoken, be it by one percent or twenty percent.

I wonder how Jo feels when she listens to the message of a man she claims to admire...
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#111New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:19:03
Paddy Ashdown went on to say that those who will not accept the sovereign voice of the British people when they vote, whatever they say, do not have the national interest at heart but rather are concerned only with their own interests...

“For all of us, in or out, when the British people have spoken you do what they say, they command it. You put the national interest first. Either you believe in democracy or you don’t. When democracy speaks, we obey. All of us do..."

I wonder what he would make of the bahaviour of MP's in recent times...
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#112New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:24:37
The immature and petty behaviour of Luxembourg’s Prime Minister gave people watching an idea as to why dealing with the EU is so difficult.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#113New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:38:01
Interesting how Jo Swineson thinks it's fine to overturn the result of the Brexit referendum via a general election, whilst at the same time strongly opposing the SNP's plan to do the same thing re the result of the Scottish referendum. Obviously for Jo democracy is doing what she thinks is right and not what the people say they want.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#114New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:47:02
For ages the EU have been absolutely adamant that May's deal was the only deal. Take it or leave it. Now today Juncker has indicated that he is ready to do away with the backstop, a key part of the May deal. Geez, I wonder why he is now saying something different to what he said for so long when May was PM. A real head scratcher!
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#115New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 17:54:12
"I’ll have done my job if, in the end, the deal is so tough on the British that they’d prefer to stay in the EU."
- EU chief negotiator, Michel Barnier to EU leaders, May 2017
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#116New Post! Sep 26, 2019 @ 05:51:38
Funny hearing Labour calling upon BJ to resign whilst at the same time refusing to pass a motion of confidence against him! In effect Labour is propping up a PM they insist shouldn't be there!
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#117New Post! Sep 26, 2019 @ 05:58:00
Of course just recently they attacked BJ saying that he hadn't been elected by the people. This is interesting on two counts.

1. Under the UK parliamentary system the electorate as a whole do not actually vote for the PM. Never have. So no PM has ever been elected by the 'people'.

2. The Labour Party who are attacking BJ for not being 'elected' are the same party who have already twice refused his motion for an election. So in effect they are saying to BJ "you haven't been elected by the people and we arent going to give the people the chance to elect you".
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#118New Post! Sep 26, 2019 @ 06:07:03
On Labour. They first back the motion for a in/out referendum. They then promise to respect the will of the people re the people's vote. They then pass the motion that allows the PM to trigger article 50 which has no deal as the default position. Next they go to the polls promising to respect the 2016 vote. Then, once BJ becomes PM and shows he is fair dinkum about respecting the people's vote they do everything they can to stop him. They say if in power they will go to the EU and try and negotiate a new deal. They would then hold another referendum which would only give people the choice of remaining in the EU or going with Labour's new deal. At the same time they tell us that they will campaign against their own deal! A day later they say that any new deal would be too hard so instead they would accept May's deal. The one they voted against 3 times! They would then hold a referendum with the choice of staying in the EU or accepting May's deal which sees the UK tied to the EU. They say that again they will campaign for remain. Then Corbyn comes out and says they won't campaign for either side. During this time Labour are criticising BJ for not making progress on a new deal with the EU whilst saying they will vote against ANY deal he does come up with. Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up.
mrmhead On about 18 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#119New Post! Sep 26, 2019 @ 11:43:00
@shadowen Said

On Labour. They first back the motion for a in/out referendum. They then promise to respect the will of the people re the people's vote. They then pass the motion that allows the PM to trigger article 50 which has no deal as the default position. Next they go to the polls promising to respect the 2016 vote. Then, once BJ becomes PM and shows he is fair dinkum about respecting the people's vote they do everything they can to stop him. They say if in power they will go to the EU and try and negotiate a new deal. They would then hold another referendum which would only give people the choice of remaining in the EU or going with Labour's new deal. At the same time they tell us that they will campaign against their own deal! A day later they say that any new deal would be too hard so instead they would accept May's deal. The one they voted against 3 times! They would then hold a referendum with the choice of staying in the EU or accepting May's deal which sees the UK tied to the EU. They say that again they will campaign for remain. Then Corbyn comes out and says they won't campaign for either side. During this time Labour are criticising BJ for not making progress on a new deal with the EU whilst saying they will vote against ANY deal he does come up with. Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up.


Wait ... I'm confused.

Can you story-board that out for us? like a graphic novel

...aka Comic Book!

mrmhead On about 18 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#120New Post! Sep 26, 2019 @ 11:51:57
@shadowen Said

On Labour. They first back the motion for a in/out referendum. They then promise to respect the will of the people re the people's vote. They then pass the motion that allows the PM to trigger article 50 which has no deal as the default position. Next they go to the polls promising to respect the 2016 vote. Then, once BJ becomes PM and shows he is fair dinkum about respecting the people's vote they do everything they can to stop him. They say if in power they will go to the EU and try and negotiate a new deal. They would then hold another referendum which would only give people the choice of remaining in the EU or going with Labour's new deal. At the same time they tell us that they will campaign against their own deal! A day later they say that any new deal would be too hard so instead they would accept May's deal. The one they voted against 3 times! They would then hold a referendum with the choice of staying in the EU or accepting May's deal which sees the UK tied to the EU. They say that again they will campaign for remain. Then Corbyn comes out and says they won't campaign for either side. During this time Labour are criticising BJ for not making progress on a new deal with the EU whilst saying they will vote against ANY deal he does come up with. Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up.



@mrmhead Said

Wait ... I'm confused.

Can you story-board that out for us? like a graphic novel

...aka Comic Book!



OMG!!
I just googled Brexit Comics, and there seems to be a whole business sector popping up over this stuff!

Example
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