@DiscordTiger Said
I do remember what we now think of offensive halloween costums, but those were all pretty much in the "native american" category. No one gave a s*** back then. Which, i'm sure it probably hurt then too, but people either didn't know or didn't care. (or we as a people were super effective when our ancestors killed and moved off the real native americans off to reservations, where we were trying to teach the savage outta them. So if they spoke up, even as late as the 80's consequences were pretty severe.
The 80's were not a particularly "woke" time, to use today's vernacular.
Yeah, forgot about the Indian thing. We were all admittedly doing it back then as kids right on up through the 70’s before Star Wars, and even for a time afterwards. Also, who hasn’t as a kid pretended to be Chinese? I think everyone knows what I’m referring to in terms of how we did that.
Of course, none of that today would be tolerated.
@DiscordTiger Said honestly, i don't understand the "oh well let's ask a black person" thing.
Mostly because I know from being a fellow brown person, the "oh let's ask a Hispanic" thing gets f***ing old, f***ing fast. and to most people I tend to respond "what kind of white s*** is that?." especially as I get older and give less f***s. Though I will say, since I know you from here, you are trying to understand rather than start s*** and troll. and I get how do you learn if you don't ask concept, just the emotional labor of teaching is hard. I put in the effort for people I like or I know are trying, but some that want to start s***, I'm like f*** that, im not even getting involved in that dumpsterf***.
From what I see in the all my online and in person interactions with all POC its the same. The emotional labor is there, regardless of what ethnicity/color you happen to be when talking about diversity and inclusion issues. (I've become pretty active in the DEI area for work, and the on-line and in person resources and connections that come with that.)
I understand, and can see how that would feel if I were asked to answer for all white people. I certainly don’t have any reason to delegitimize what you’re saying. But my point was just that if the media is going to constantly talk about it and go around with endless opinion and commentary over it, at least involve people who supposedly would be the victims themselves in the discussion. I don’t think they are doing that enough over just expressing outrage for them instead. Outrage seems to be the new currency of legitimacy.
@DiscordTiger Said Though I guess with modern social media, black twitter seems to not like blackface, so that's pretty much a good enough reason for me to disavow it completely, rather than pointedly asking someone. Now that is also not to say I haven't had black people bring it up first and say that s*** ain't cool, never was. so maybe that influences my opinion now and not needing to ask again.
There are a few TFS members that are black that would remember the 80's, not sure if they are still around though.
Today, yes. Because we have been taught that it is something that is negative. And, indeed, now that we are all aware of it, it probably is the case for anyone who does it anyways despite that. This is because, once someone knows it might offend, it should result in that person to second guess doing it, if even thinking about doing it at all.
However, intentions were perhaps more naive back then and I’m saying that perhaps blacks back then recognized the harmless intention of those who did it and who otherwise were not racists at all, and it therefore had a much less effect.
It’s easy to project today’s feelings on yesterday, but harder to try and recapture the feelings of yesterday on yesterday.