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ninozara On April 30, 2020




Cheshire, United Kingdom
#31New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 21:39:10
My gaming laptop cost about half as much as a Mac, and was much better (dunno about specs, but it terms of actual use)...and it had a bigger screen (which was useful as I used it as a TV also)

I think the iPods are alright though, price wise. And you can get an iPhone pretty cheaply on contract these days.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
Bringer of rad mirth


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Here and there,
#32New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 21:40:19
@El_Tino Said
It's not a SSD drive.


The 128 GB SSD option (same as the Vaio) brings the Macbook Pro up to $1699, still $100 cheaper than the Vaio. The Vaio is a bit lighter, though. Other than that they seem roughly equivalent in terms of specs (besides the Firewire and Thunderbolt ports on the Macbook).

Surely we can agree that, given the Vaio S as a point of comparison, there is nothing overpriced about the Macbook.
Delta62 On June 30, 2020
Natural asshole





manchester, United Kingdom
#33New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 21:43:19
The only major problems i have with apple is their pricing seems a bit steep, i want to use my own monitor (as of now i am using a 22 inch HD TV as my monitor) and their standard mice freaks me out.
Oisin On January 27, 2012




Glasgow, United Kingdom
#34New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 21:47:46
@jonnythan Said

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You are not arguing an opinion. You are saying that Mac laptops are more expensive than equivalent notebooks.

You have provided no information whatsoever to back this up. I have provided data to the contrary. It is now up to you to back up your claims.



i never mentioned mac laptops, it would appear that you made that up yourself.

you have provided no data, all you have provided is opinion.

it's not up to me to back up claims that i never made.
El_Tino On July 24, 2019
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#35New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 22:10:49
Apple
17" Macbook Pro
2.2ghz i7
15.5x10.5x1
6.6 lbs
4gb ram
750gb HD / 5400 RPM
$2,499

16.4" Sony Vaio
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
512gb SSD
$2,179

And Vaio's are on the higher end of the price spectrum as well.

17" Dell XPS 17
16.3x11.3x1.3
7.8lbs
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
7.5hr battery
750gb HD / 7200 RPM (faster than apple)
256gb SSD for $520 extra
1gb video card
$1,263

Half price! Is that worth an extra pound and a little bigger?
ninozara On April 30, 2020




Cheshire, United Kingdom
#36New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 22:17:15
@El_Tino Said

Apple
17" Macbook Pro
2.2ghz i7
15.5x10.5x1
6.6 lbs
4gb ram
750gb HD / 5400 RPM
$2,499

16.4" Sony Vaio
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
512gb SSD
$2,179

And Vaio's are on the higher end of the price spectrum as well.

17" Dell XPS 17
16.3x11.3x1.3
7.8lbs
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
7.5hr battery
750gb HD / 7200 RPM (faster than apple)
256gb SSD for $520 extra
1gb video card
$1,263

Half price! Is that worth an extra pound and a little bigger?


I think, in the UK, the Sonys are a lot cheaper than that. Like 800 for the Vaio, compared to 2000 for the MacBook.

Which probably explains why most of the UK folks see Apples as over priced.
El_Tino On July 24, 2019
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#37New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 22:18:31
@ninozara Said

I think, in the UK, the Sonys are a lot cheaper than that. Like 800 for the Vaio, compared to 2000 for the MacBook.

Which probably explains why most of the UK folks see Apples as over priced.


There's lower end and higher end vaios, they range anywhere from $400 - $2900
ninozara On April 30, 2020




Cheshire, United Kingdom
#38New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 22:45:11
@El_Tino Said

There's lower end and higher end vaios, they range anywhere from $400 - $2900



The one you quoted is 950, the MacBook is 2099.

And, tbh, I don't know a single person who bought a Mac because of its value for money. They bought it because it's a Mac. Not saying I wouldn't, if I could, but the serious gamers and computer people I know who have money to spend don't have Macs.
Leon On June 21, 2020




San Diego, California
#39New Post! Sep 22, 2011 @ 22:49:14
I got the last Macbook earlier this year, with maxed specs. I think I paid $1500 for it. I probably overpaid a bit, but, to me it is irrelevant, as I wanted something that was all Apple in terms of software AND hardware, giving me a peace of mind in terms of compatibility and ease of use. It will probably be the last computer I own, though, as I am just waiting for the iPad to gain backup storage and full over-the-air managing capabilities and will switch to getting one at that point.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#40New Post! Sep 23, 2011 @ 01:06:16
@El_Tino Said

Apple
17" Macbook Pro
2.2ghz i7
15.5x10.5x1
6.6 lbs
4gb ram
750gb HD / 5400 RPM
$2,499

16.4" Sony Vaio
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
512gb SSD
$2,179

And Vaio's are on the higher end of the price spectrum as well.

17" Dell XPS 17
16.3x11.3x1.3
7.8lbs
2.2ghz i7
4gb RAM
7.5hr battery
750gb HD / 7200 RPM (faster than apple)
256gb SSD for $520 extra
1gb video card
$1,263

Half price! Is that worth an extra pound and a little bigger?


I'll get more into it later, but the XPS 17's standard battery, which gives it the 7.8 lb mark, is only about 3.5 hours it seems. The 9-cell battery sticks way out and adds even more weight. It's also almost an inch bigger in length and depth and 30% thicker. They're not quite in the same class.

Whether it's worth it to the buyer or not is a question for the buyer. The combination of slim and light chassis, long battery life, and good specs is an expensive combination. As the XPS 17 shows, you can significantly reduce the price by giving up one of those (such as the slim and light chassis for equivalent battery life and specs).
El_Tino On July 24, 2019
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#41New Post! Sep 23, 2011 @ 06:24:48
@jonnythan Said

I'll get more into it later, but the XPS 17's standard battery, which gives it the 7.8 lb mark, is only about 3.5 hours it seems. The 9-cell battery sticks way out and adds even more weight. It's also almost an inch bigger in length and depth and 30% thicker. They're not quite in the same class.

Whether it's worth it to the buyer or not is a question for the buyer. The combination of slim and light chassis, long battery life, and good specs is an expensive combination. As the XPS 17 shows, you can significantly reduce the price by giving up one of those (such as the slim and light chassis for equivalent battery life and specs).


The weight that their site told me is for the extended life battery.
mark_is_god On June 26, 2015




antrim, Ireland
#42New Post! Sep 23, 2011 @ 07:58:39
i find it funny, that in an article criticizing apple for their prices that sony keeps getting brought up as a cheaper alternative.

in my experience Sony regularly have higher prices than a comparative machine from another manufacturer.
in the shop i work for we have a sony vaio selling for 499.00
the specs are,
4GB of ram
500GB hard-drive (5400rpm i think)
i3-2310m processor

and in the same shop we have a acer aspire for 499.00
the specs are,
6GB of ram
750GB hard-drive (also 5400rpm i think)
but it comes with a i5 processor, albeit a last generation one.

we also had a Toshiba satellite, with from what i can tell, has identical specs to the Sony, selling for 399.00

the Sony isn't even better made (its one of the lower end vaios) its not any thinner, and from what i can see has no real reason for costing more, other than brand name.


but back on topic, this article suggests, that the apple tax whilst real, isn't really that significant, and the tax doesn't apply to all apple products equally.
link

"In the end, we found each Apple machine to cost more than a similarly equipped PC counterpart, with the baseline Mac Pro being the exception. Usually the delta is around $50 to $150"



also one thing people never consider, resale value, look on ebay for the selling prices of secondhand apple products, they demand a heftier premium over competitors.
so whilst you will pay more for apple, you have more chance getting more of it back when it comes to an upgrade.
El_Tino On July 24, 2019
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#43New Post! Sep 23, 2011 @ 19:35:19
@mark_is_god Said

i find it funny, that in an article criticizing apple for their prices that sony keeps getting brought up as a cheaper alternative.

in my experience Sony regularly have higher prices than a comparative machine from another manufacturer.
in the shop i work for we have a sony vaio selling for 499.00
the specs are,
4GB of ram
500GB hard-drive (5400rpm i think)
i3-2310m processor

and in the same shop we have a acer aspire for 499.00
the specs are,
6GB of ram
750GB hard-drive (also 5400rpm i think)
but it comes with a i5 processor, albeit a last generation one.

we also had a Toshiba satellite, with from what i can tell, has identical specs to the Sony, selling for 399.00

the Sony isn't even better made (its one of the lower end vaios) its not any thinner, and from what i can see has no real reason for costing more, other than brand name.


but back on topic, this article suggests, that the apple tax whilst real, isn't really that significant, and the tax doesn't apply to all apple products equally.
link

"In the end, we found each Apple machine to cost more than a similarly equipped PC counterpart, with the baseline Mac Pro being the exception. Usually the delta is around $50 to $150"



also one thing people never consider, resale value, look on ebay for the selling prices of secondhand apple products, they demand a heftier premium over competitors.
so whilst you will pay more for apple, you have more chance getting more of it back when it comes to an upgrade.


I've got a Vaio that I've had 3 years and is still going strong. I don't foresee having to replace it any time soon. I've had 2 toshiba's, and they are good machines but I've never had one last more than 2 years before I needed to buy something else. As I mentioned already, my wife had a few problems with her Mac related to poor quality.
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
Intergalactic hussy





a great future,
#44New Post! Sep 23, 2011 @ 19:37:20
@El_Tino Said

I've got a Vaio that I've had 3 years and is still going strong. I don't foresee having to replace it any time soon. I've had 2 toshiba's, and they are good machines but I've never had one last more than 2 years before I needed to buy something else. As I mentioned already, my wife had a few problems with her Mac related to poor quality.



My last sony desktop lasted me six years before it conked out. I just bought a new PC, didn't want to bother fixing a six year old machine
Janisdolan On October 14, 2011




Manchester, United Kingdom
#45New Post! Oct 14, 2011 @ 20:48:46
@Oisin Said

no they aren't and if you think they are, you are an idiot.



Well, it's like this. I have a second hand, iMac. It's great. It has never broken down, it never crashes and it's good enough for what I want. Plus, i get to use all sorts of software which the PCs have, for free.

My first mac was a classic II. I got it because they used them at the place I worked. It arrived, in a box, which we opened. It had a plug already on the power cable, we plugged it in, and guess what. It worked straight away, it did not need Setting Up. It worked for years. It's only problem? The Lithium battery which kept the internal clock settings, ran out and had to be replaced. That was a bit of a nightmare, not because we couldn't get a new battery, that was easy, and not because we couldn't replace the battery, that was easy peasy lemon squeezy, but because we couldn't find a screw driver long enough to reach the screws to undo the casing. We did manage it in the end, and the problem of the battery was fixed, in second. Incidentally, it still worked brilliantly even with the battery being dead. So we need not have been concerned. We still have it, and it still works.

On the other hand.
My husband has PCs. Two in fact. MESH computers, built to his specifications. And he is always moaning about them. The really big MESH is so heavy, he cannot lift it without help. They cost him a total of 7K. Mine was 350 off ebay.

Does he use this big MESH? No, he doesn't - WHY? because it has VISTA on it which is absolute crap.

Call me an idiot if you like, but you I'm a Mac and I like it.

P.S. Why are people who find themselves with a different opinion, have to be nasty and call others, idiots. Says more about you than about me. Later.
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