@alexkidd Said i basically just disagree.
for one, the mirror test in't 'sound science'
in the case of a hell of alot of animals they don't use the same primary senses as us, so it doesn't even apply to dogs who have poor vision in relation to their scent.
there's other reasons why its not sound, like the fact that alot of animals associate eye conact with agression so can't really do the test accuratly.
so basically you're judging the level of conciousnes of an animal....based on a test that only applies to human standards and their stero typical abilities.
which animals differ from greatly, and differ greatly from animal to animal.
children fail the mirror test untill they're about 2,
whats your opinion on them?
so thats complete bulls*** anyway.
i also draw a line at comparing an animal feeding to an immoral act by a person, its in no way comparable, with completly different motives.
as for animals having feelings, its clear to see they have basic feelings, they can grow attatched to somebody and miss them when they're gone, they can suffer mentally after traumatic experiences, thats surely an emotional response. they can get excited, angry, happy is an odd one since we don't clearly define it ourselves and so can't apply it.
animals of course are not the same as us, we have removed ourselves from the natural order. which puts us in a position of huge responsibility and consequence, our actions as a whole have more impact that any other creature in history.
True enough, the mirror test doesn't always give perfect results, but it is a well established method used by most scientists, and was ercently used to determine that elephants are semi-sentient. It basically works like this:
A bright mark is placed on the animal at a part of their body they can't see without a mirror, such as the side of the head. Then, after being placed in front of a mirror and seeing their reflection, if the animal interacts specifically with the mark, it must recognise that its reflection is indeed an image of itself, and therefore be consciously aware of its own existence. Most animals simply register the reflection as another member of its own species, and react accordingly; I did this test on my mate's cat and it startled it.
Babies under a certain age don't recognise themselves in the mirror because they haven't fully developed their brain and therefore are not fully sentient. This does not exempt them from morality; they will eventually grow to become fully sentient humans, and retain memories from those early stages.
It's a moot point anyway, since their are other patterns of behaviour which denote sentience, and are only shown by a few animals - most of which pass the mirror test. These include the use of tools, the anticipation of other animal's thoughts (empathy, which can result in altruism or sadism, as in chimps), and the ability so solve puzzles creatively.
Animals don't have emotions - they exhibit behaviour which is similar to human emotions as a reaction to certain stimuli, but they do not genuinely feel upset, happy or excited. They do it in order to communicate their current state to other members of their group, or to frighten off potential predators, or something similar. They may howl or yelp when attacked in order to send a message of alert; this is naturally selected behaviour. It is predictable and repetitive. They don't do anything creative, like making music or artwork, or use complex language or technology. This requires consciousness. Humans are conscious, and therefore we need conscious sensations and emotions to accompany stimuli in order to react appropriately. Most animals are not conscious so they can't have conscious emotions and pain.