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Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#31New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 15:40:37
@chaski Said

I'll start with this part: I don't see how my post stopped anyone from "believing whatever they want to and fully exercising their 1st Amendment rights including freedom of speech.



Oh I admit it didn't...it just seems you're kind of shaming people for speaking their views and painting them as stupid and weak for doing so because you don't think they're valid. Isn't that kind of true? Really?

I guess I tend to overreact when I see the "snowflake" term being bandied about and it's usually a rightie who's using it.

I don't like it because the unspoken gist of it is "Just shut up...you're being unreasonable and your opinion isn't valid." I have a problem with people telling other people that regardless of which side of the aisle it's coming from.
chaski On 37 minutes ago
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#32New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 15:51:40
@Eaglebauer Said


Do we really have to keep using the term "snowflake" though to label anyone who expresses concern over a public figure's politics?



Next, this part.

I do not use term "snowflake" to label anyone who expresses concern over a public figure's politics?

I use is to reference what I perceive as a pattern of whining and crying by Republicans/Conservatives, which has been going on for at least the last 10 years.

I see Republicans/Conservatives use terms like "snowflakes" and "crybabies" all the time, even a few times here on TFS, whenever Democrats/Liberals complain about Republicans/Conservative politicians and policies.

It is my opinion that Republicans/Conservatives complain at least as much as Democrats/Liberals. In fact, I think that Republicans/Conservatives might complain more. Almost every conversation I have in any media about politics, typically at some point start complaining about Obama, Clinton... and now AOC. There seems to be a trend to avoid facts deflect discussion or argument to the other side.

Yes, Democrats/Liberals do this as well, but it is my observations (perhaps erroneous) that Republicans/Conservatives have been worse about this over the last 10 years.

As a Reagan Era Republican, I suppose I am more critical of and have more disdain for the 21st Century Republicans/Conservatives who seem do the lion share of the whining an complaining.

So, since I see and hear some many Republicans/Conservatives using the term "snowflake" towards others, I like to use the term towards Republicans/Conservatives when they are behaving the same way. It is a little piece of irony that I like to use.

And no, I don't view you as a "snowflake"... probably because I have never seen you whine and complain the way I see other Republicans/Conservatives whine and complain.
chaski On 37 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#33New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 15:53:15
@Eaglebauer Said

it just seems you're kind of shaming people for speaking their views and painting them as stupid and weak .



To a point I was "shaming people for speaking their views and painting them as stupid and weak".... why?

Because they seem to think that they can belittle others for the exact same behavior that they exhibit.
chaski On 37 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#34New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 15:56:18
@Eaglebauer Said

Just now coming into this thread and I'll admit I haven't read any of the other posts...

Do we really have to keep using the term "snowflake" though to label anyone who expresses concern over a public figure's politics? It's a term du jour of the extreme right for people who get offended at anything and it's ridiculous, sure, but is it beyond reasonable for a Republican to have criticisms of someone being elected into the legislature (at any level) who is young and groomable and who claims she's a socialist?

Whether or not one is a fan of socialism is another thread, but why is it so unusual or laughable to you that people who adamantly reject socialism would be fixated on her after she gets a seat in Congress? At what point are conservatives allowed to express concern? Is there a threshold she has to cross? I mean...do they have to wait until she's a Senator? Speaker of the House? Running for the oval office?

When is it okay in your eyes for someone to be vocal about her without being called a snowflake? Or is your signature just for show?

She says she supports the abolition of immigration and customs enforcement. What if someone with the exact same credentials publicly said they identified as a member of the fascist party and that illegal immigrants should be put to death on the spot? I mean...lets take it to the other extreme.

If it's okay for her to condone the "nothing" end of the spectrum, someone should be allowed to condone the "all" end of it, right? Would you call someone a snowflake for having issues with that? I'd certainly have a problem with it even if that person had no experience in legislation (actually...especially if that was the case).

Maybe I'm missing something and you're referring to someone in the media going over the edge and making outlandish claims about her? I don't know...I just don't see the issue with conservatives being critical of a liberal member of the elected body any more than I would of a liberal having things to say about someone with extremely conservative views representing them in our government. I am not, myself concerned with AOC for the record.

Maybe I'm a snowflake though.


Now as to the rest of this:

AOC has a loud voice for one and only one reason: Republicans & Conservatives are fixating on her.

Most of what she says will not happen in the USA... at least not any time soon.

Yes, people should be concerned about whatever they want to be concerned about... but, again, if it wasn't for all of the attention she is getting from the Right she would have no real political voice and no political traction.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#35New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 16:02:59
@chaski Said

Next, this part.

I do not use term "snowflake" to label anyone who expresses concern over a public figure's politics?

I use is to reference what I perceive as a pattern of whining and crying by Republicans/Conservatives, which has been going on for at least the last 10 years.

I see Republicans/Conservatives use terms like "snowflakes" and "crybabies" all the time, even a few times here on TFS, whenever Democrats/Liberals complain about Republicans/Conservative politicians and policies.

It is my opinion that Republicans/Conservatives complain at least as much as Democrats/Liberals. In fact, I think that Republicans/Conservatives might complain more. Almost every conversation I have in any media about politics, typically at some point start complaining about Obama, Clinton... and now AOC. There seems to be a trend to avoid facts deflect discussion or argument to the other side.

Yes, Democrats/Liberals do this as well, but it is my observations (perhaps erroneous) that Republicans/Conservatives have been worse about this over the last 10 years.

As a Reagan Era Republican, I suppose I am more critical of and have more disdain for the 21st Century Republicans/Conservatives who seem do the lion share of the whining an complaining.

So, since I see and hear some many Republicans/Conservatives using the term "snowflake" towards others, I like to use the term towards Republicans/Conservatives when they are behaving the same way. It is a little piece of irony that I like to use.

And no, I don't view you as a "snowflake"... probably because I have never seen you whine and complain the way I see other Republicans/Conservatives whine and complain.


I can't really disagree with most of this. But...I do think that Democrats and Republicans should complain. About whatever they want and as much as they want.

I freely admit that the right is much more guilty of snowflake naming (we should call it throwing snowballs for fun), and while on some issues I do consider myself to the right (not nearly all issues...I think you know that), I absolutely condemn people on the right who throw snowballs.

I think if people are too whiny and childish about things they'll do a fine job being ultimately ignored "when the adults talk" without any help. And calling them some denigrating name doesn't really do any good for anyone and is kind of saying to that person "Hey...no one wants to hear any of that. Stop speaking your mind." So, I kind of have to disagree with this:

@chaski Said

To a point I was "shaming people for speaking their views and painting them as stupid and weak".... why?

Because they seem to think that they can belittle others for the exact same behavior that they exhibit.


Aren't you just lowering yourself to their standard? What positive change does it effect by slinging a snowball back? I think REALLY highly of you and I respect the hell out of you, which is probably why I'm reacting this way and it's probably, at least partly, unfair to you that I am.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#36New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 16:06:08
@chaski Said

Now as to the rest of this:

AOC has a loud voice for one and only one reason: Republicans & Conservatives are fixating on her.

Most of what she says will not happen in the USA... at least not any time soon.

Yes, people should be concerned about whatever they want to be concerned about... but, again, if it wasn't for all of the attention she is getting from the Right she would have no real political voice and no political traction.



You're probably right about this.
Leon On June 21, 2020




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#37New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 16:11:02
It all started because she was the youngest ever to be elected a member of Congress, and (I believe) the first millennial. So the media spotlighted her as, in essence, the voice of the millennials, a group of which, in itself, is often spotlighted due to their differing political views with the older generations, according to polls. Which mirror more closely to things she espouses.
chaski On 37 minutes ago
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#38New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 16:12:03
@Eaglebauer Said

Aren't you just lowering yourself to their standard?


Yes.

@Eaglebauer Said

Aren't you just lowering yourself to their standard? What positive change does it effect by slinging a snowball back? I think REALLY highly of you and I respect the hell out of you, which is probably why I'm reacting this way and it's probably, at least partly, unfair to you that I am.


Shaming me into be a better person!


Ok... point well taken.

I will try to reframe from name calling... It will probably only work for a few days, but I will try.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#39New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:35:49
@chaski Said

Yes.



Shaming me into be a better person!


Ok... point well taken.

I will try to reframe from name calling... It will probably only work for a few days, but I will try.



Thanks, jerk!


(I kid because I love)
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#40New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:36:12
@Leon Said

It all started because she was the youngest ever to be elected a member of Congress, and (I believe) the first millennial. So the media spotlighted her as, in essence, the voice of the millennials, a group of which, in itself, is often spotlighted due to their differing political views with the older generations, according to polls. Which mirror more closely to things she espouses.



Can you be unreasonable just once?
Leon On June 21, 2020




San Diego, California
#41New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:44:05
@Eaglebauer Said

Can you be unreasonable just once?


Sorry, but I’m not going to answer that. You’ve already met your b****ing quota for the day.

Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#42New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:46:22
@Leon Said

Sorry, but I’m not going to answer that. You’ve already met your b****ing quota for the day.




You realize the paradox, of course.
Leon On June 21, 2020




San Diego, California
#43New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:49:19
@Eaglebauer Said

You realize the paradox, of course.


Hey, it’s the end of the month. I understand.
chaski On 37 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#44New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:51:35
@Eaglebauer Said

Can you be unreasonable just once?



@Leon Said

Sorry, but I’m not going to answer that. You’ve already met your b****ing quota for the day.




Would you two please stop calling each other feathery ice crystals that display delicate sixfold symmetry!
Leon On June 21, 2020




San Diego, California
#45New Post! Feb 19, 2019 @ 17:55:32
@chaski Said

Would you two please stop calling each other feathery ice crystals that display delicate sixfold symmetry!


There is no such thing as a snowflake in San Diego.
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