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Kristy69 On September 14, 2014
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#1New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 13:52:46
I really don't, to me, it's reverse discrimination.

Here's a scenario:
Say a hospital needs at least 20% (because specific quotas are unconstitutional) minority nurses. A male nurse with a 3.95 GPA, fresh out of college applies for a nursing position only to be turned down because a minority, with a 2.30 GPA, applies for the same position because the hospital needs to up it's minority percentage.

In cases like this, it's too dangerous to apply the affirmative action policy, plus, it's obvious the male nurse has worked harder to obtain higher grades in college and deserves the position.

Affirmative action is supposedly to "make up" for past discrimination (which I don't agree with) but it also supports diversity in the work/school place.

What do you think?
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
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#2New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 13:55:04
I don't agree with it. I think it started off as good, and now has turned to PC.
I think that race and age should not be included on job apps. And interviews given behind closed screens with voice changers so you are interviewing the person and not their age, sex or race.
Ok it's a dreamworld and not practical, but that would make it the most fair!
Kristy69 On September 14, 2014
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#3New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 13:56:15
@plebian_angel Said

I don't agree with it. I think it started off as good, and now has turned to PC.
I think that race and age should not be included on job apps. And interviews given behind closed screens with voice changers so you are interviewing the person and not their age, sex or race.
Ok it's a dreamworld and not practical, but that would make it the most fair!


This is true.

Like how on a LOT of job application it asks if you're Hispanic/Latino but not if you're any other race?
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
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#4New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:00:11
@Kristy69 Said

This is true.

Like how on a LOT of job application it asks if you're Hispanic/Latino but not if you're any other race?



I haven't filled one out in 10/11 years so really don't know how they are now.
deeFXCKINGjay On January 21, 2012
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#5New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:05:09
@Krist69 Said
Reverse discrimination


My brain melted.
JorieJukebox On April 15, 2021
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#6New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:08:43
Getting a job should only depend on your education or skills needed for the job, nothing else!
Draco On August 28, 2017




In the imaginary city that is
#7New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:11:09
It's racesem put in a new context......rasesem is bad....AA is not....
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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#8New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:12:38
@Kristy69 Said

This is true.

Like how on a LOT of job application it asks if you're Hispanic/Latino but not if you're any other race?



And there are ones (wasn't the census one?) that asks BOTH. Are you Hispanic/Latino....and then later 'what ethnicity are you?'

Also, if the less experienced person is given a job based on their minority status, that leaves a very qualified person looking for a job. If they can't find a job in the field that they're trained for, they're going to look in a different field and often be denied because they're 'overqualified'.
Way to punish people for being experienced!
Draco On August 28, 2017




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#9New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:27:47
@someone_else Said

And there are ones (wasn't the census one?) that asks BOTH. Are you Hispanic/Latino....and then later 'what ethnicity are you?'

Also, if the less experienced person is given a job based on their minority status, that leaves a very qualified person looking for a job. If they can't find a job in the field that they're trained for, they're going to look in a different field and often be denied because they're 'overqualified'.
Way to punish people for being experienced!


The minority have to unfortunately pay for things from the past....I say...everyone is equal....what happened in the past is other peoples faults....don't make innocent people pay for what happened in the past
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#10New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:30:29
@Draco Said

The minority have to unfortunately pay for things from the past....I say...everyone is equal....what happened in the past is other peoples faults....don't make innocent people pay for what happened in the past



What we're talking about here is the exact opposite though, it's the majority paying for it.
Draco On August 28, 2017




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#11New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:35:30
@someone_else Said

What we're talking about here is the exact opposite though, it's the majority paying for it.


Ok...I'm officially lost ....but in anyway...the point is....all should be equal....whatever you status "color" is.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#12New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:39:44
@Draco Said

Ok...I'm officially lost ....but in anyway...the point is....all should be equal....whatever you status "color" is.



Yes, I agree with that part.

What Kristy's talking about is Affirmative Action, where an employer is required to hire a certain number (or percentage) of "minority" employees. Minorities include women and people of 'color' - which would be anything but white. Guess who that discriminates against the most.... white males.

What you're advocating is Equal Opportunity Employment.
40isnotsobad On December 07, 2010




Houston, Texas
#13New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 14:50:52
The last job I had our Manager left and when it came down to 2 candidates to replace him (both internal candidates) one was a white guy who would have been perfect and the other a black guy who was thisclose to being fired...of course the black guy got it and he was a horrible manager...after I was gone he told my replacement that the reason I left was that I would not work for a black man...I was super pissed...

The company had been hiring minorities for all management positions (supervisor and above) and even in one case demoted a white woman who had been there for over 10 years and had her train the woman they hired to replace her...only because they had lost a lawsuit regarding how many minorities they had in management...

People should be hired based on their abilities not skin color or anything else...
fitzyp On December 23, 2014




Auckland, New Zealand
#14New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 15:00:58
I think my opinion on the subject has already been summed up by a cartoon in another thread (cheers Katie)

Kristy69 On September 14, 2014
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Underneath the Cyanide Sun....
#15New Post! Apr 07, 2010 @ 15:53:42
@Draco Said

The minority have to unfortunately pay for things from the past....I say...everyone is equal....what happened in the past is other peoples faults....don't make innocent people pay for what happened in the past



No one alive today had anything to do with slavery; either owning them or being one.
As for past discrimination like in the early/mid 20th century, hardly anyone alive today had to go through that.

Minorities being "repaid" is bull, IMO.
I don't want to have a job I'm well qualified for being taken from me from someone who may or may not have less experience just on the basis of race/gender. I wasn't around to participate in discriminatory acts, so I shouldn't be punished.

It may sound blunt, but it is what it is.
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