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white_swan53 On August 14, 2019




n/a, New Mexico
#1New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 03:40:56
Income Tax info ,
Quote:
Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures — are private information, protected by law from unauthorized disclosure . Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized agencies and individuals.


link


Can the recent new legislation being considered in 18 states in reference to income tax info, , work when it comes down to the wire .
Can a person be forced to authorize the disclosure of their personal info ?
Can or will a state be able to legally refuse a wanna be candidate the paperwork to get or be on the ballot if he or she refuses to disclose
their info ?
(the second and third questions are the same question ask in different ways.)
A candidate volunteering their personal income tax info has worked well for all concerned since 1974 ,right up until Trump refuses to disclose his. If it was a given that Trump won't be re elected and the practice of candidates volunteering their info were to continue,,,,,,
Just one in along line of lumps of crap from Trumps administration.

Does this put another kink in the requiring a candidate to authorize disclosure of their personal income tax info? ?

Quote:
What does it mean when a document or information is privileged IRS?
What does it mean when a document or information is "privileged"? a) the tax professional who prepared the document or information is the only person who may authorize its disclosure. ... d) the document or information is protected from discovery and use by the IRS.
Leon On August 16, 2019




San Diego, California
#2New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 03:46:34
@white_swan53 Said

Income Tax info ,



link


Can the recent new legislation being considered in 18 states in reference to income tax info, , work when it comes down to the wire .
Can a person be forced to authorize the disclosure of their personal info ?
Can or will a state be able to legally refuse a wanna be candidate the paperwork to get or be on the ballot if he or she refuses to disclose
their info ?
(the second and third questions are the same question ask in different ways.)
A candidate volunteering their personal income tax info has worked well for all concerned since 1974 ,right up until Trump refuses to disclose his. If it was a given that Trump won't be re elected and the practice of candidates volunteering their info were to continue,,,,,,
Just one in along line of lumps of crap from Trumps administration.


Yeah, I don’t think what these 18 states are doing will hold up in the courts, especially with the conservative majority in the SCOTUS. And, while anything to get Trump defeated would be nice, I probably have to agree it shouldn’t be allowed.
white_swan53 On August 14, 2019




n/a, New Mexico
#3New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 03:55:31
The first link didn't work so I was editing my post , and added more to it, plus the link works now.
white_swan53 On August 14, 2019




n/a, New Mexico
#4New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 04:02:07
@Leon Said

Yeah, I don’t think what these 18 states are doing will hold up in the courts, especially with the conservative majority in the SCOTUS. And, while anything to get Trump defeated would be nice, I probably have to agree it shouldn’t be allowed.



The way our government works so slow, at all levels, its iffy at best that the legislation being considered will even get far enough to become a law before the 2020 election .
Trump has more ways to waste our time and tax dollars and smoke screen or divert our attention, then Carter has liver pills.IMHO
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#5New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 04:06:37
1. On the one hand, perhaps over generalizing here, voting is determined by each state.

2. On the other hand there is a legal principal that the federal government cannot be held at ransom by the state governments.

This part has always been apart of the conflict in our government. One part has been "liberal" vs "conservative".... the other has been (oversimplifying) "federal union" vs "state autonomy".




In the short term, if the 18 states in question were to pass their legislation on the topic and apply them to the 2020 election... based on the time frames of legal proceedings and the Supreme Court... it is likely that they would stand for the 2020 election.

We would then... speaking hypothetically... if Trump were to lose, we would face numerous legal challenges to the election.

What would happen...?

Trump might refuse to give up office until the Supreme Court made its decision....

This might lead to a 2nd set of voting...

Congress, and maybe our military, would have to decide whether or not to accept the election results... OR leave Trump in office pending a final decision.

Basically the USA would be thrust into a full blown Constitutional crisis.

Regardless of the Supreme Court's decisions, the Congress position and the military's position... (if Trump challenged the election results) the USA would be massively divided as to the outcome.

If the result was that Tump refused to leave office, and remained in office, there is a high likelihood of violence in the streets.... which might also come if he were pushed out of office by the Supreme Court, Congress and supported by our Military.

Democracy in the USA would be challenged as never before... even beyond our Civil War, which only addressed states leaving, not over turning our Constitution.

Some people, some here on TFS, would be ecstatic... at first...

Then the USA, as we know it, would fall.
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#6New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 04:16:14
It would be better if:

> The states did not pass these laws.

> Trump lost.

> A democrat ran for office, in say 2024 or later.... refused to give up his taxes... but won.

> The Republicans then said wait! all presidential candidates must always give up their taxes.

> The Democrats would agree, much like the 2 term limit after FDR.

> The issue would be resolved... forever.


Side note: Oddly the funny thing is that Democrats tend to be rational, even if it hurst them. Republicans tend to not be rational, regardless even if it ends up hurting them.

Such is life in the USA.
white_swan53 On August 14, 2019




n/a, New Mexico
#7New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 04:19:34
@chaski Said

1. On the one hand, perhaps over generalizing here, voting is determined by each state.

2. On the other hand there is a legal principal that the federal government cannot be held at ransom by the state governments.

This part has always been apart of the conflict in our government. One part has been "liberal" vs "conservative".... the other has been (oversimplifying) "federal union" vs "state autonomy".




In the short term, if the 18 states in question were to pass their legislation on the topic and apply them to the 2020 election... based on the time frames of legal proceedings and the Supreme Court... it is likely that they would stand for the 2020 election.

We would then... speaking hypothetically... if Trump were to lose, we would face numerous legal challenges to the election.

What would happen...?

Trump might refuse to give up office until the Supreme Court made its decision....

This might lead to a 2nd set of voting...

Congress, and maybe our military, would have to decide whether or not to accept the election results... OR leave Trump in office pending a final decision.

Basically the USA would be thrust into a full blown Constitutional crisis.

Regardless of the Supreme Court's decisions, the Congress position and the military's position... (if Trump challenged the election results) the USA would be massively divided as to the outcome.

If the result was that Tump refused to leave office, and remained in office, there is a high likelihood of violence in the streets.... which might also come if he were pushed out of office by the Supreme Court, Congress and supported by our Military.

Democracy in the USA would be challenged as never before... even beyond our Civil War, which only addressed states leaving, not over turning our Constitution.

Some people, some here on TFS, would be ecstatic... at first...

Then the USA, as we know it, would fall.



It's difficult to decide which one Trump wants to happen
Quote:
Then the USA, as we know it, would fall.

or
He wants more time in office then two terms .
mrmhead On about 9 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#8New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 15:25:32
@chaski Said


In the short term, if the 18 states in question were to pass their legislation on the topic and apply them to the 2020 election... based on the time frames of legal proceedings and the Supreme Court... it is likely that they would stand for the 2020 election.



I'd think some kind of "Stay" order would be issued - whatever the legal mumbo-jumbo about "Don't Change it Yet"
mrmhead On about 9 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#9New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 15:31:12
@chaski Said


Side note: Oddly the funny thing is that Democrats tend to be rational, even if it hurts them. Republicans tend to not be rational, regardless even if it ends up hurting them.

Such is life in the USA.



I noticed that years ago when we were "Heading to the financial cliff" with increasing / not increasing the debt limits or something like that.

I think it was under Bush, and the Dems finally caved so the country wouldn't suffer.

.. then that became a common ploy.

Just like "Government Shutdown" has become a threat.
chaski On about 7 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#10New Post! May 14, 2019 @ 16:05:40
@mrmhead Said

I'd think some kind of "Stay" order would be issued - whatever the legal mumbo-jumbo about "Don't Change it Yet"



You are most likely correct on that point.
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