A Decent Bloke, Flash 'Arry And Some Total Numpties

Yes because 4th in the premiership, with the possibility of securing a Champions League ahead of 2 of the big 5 (Liverpool and Chelsea) is awful.

Considering Spurs were streets ahead of anybody else in third place, and were even touting themselves as potential Premiership Champions when Capello resigned, yes, it is. It started when Manchester City beat them at the Etihad, then continued as Arsenal gave them a mauling at the Emirates (ouch..!!). They slumped alarmingly... there is no other word for it and the fact that they are still in with a shot at 4th place at all is merely testimony to the lead they had in hand, to fall back on when it all went bonkywink.

Imagine how they will feel now, if they secure 4th place, and then don't achieve the holy grail of a place in the Champions League because Chelsea win it in a couple of weeks time, and take England's fourth place next season as defending holders.

Oh dear..... that really will be awful.

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I've no idea why so many people wanted Redknapp, he has only ever been successful at clubs that give him huge budgets so he can buy good players, that luxury wouldn't be afforded to him at England and he's completely unproven at international level. Don't understand why the English love him so much.

I love you guys who have so much in depth of soccer happening. Soccer is such a intricate games which i consider unequal. Amazing is the key word which inspire so many around the world, not only the players but also the soccer fans alike. I would say it does create frustration, disappointment but best excitement. Soccer has improve through the years with so many superstars emerging. Individual best will become second best and the team champion will be recorded in History.

I hope his first job is to get rid of John Terry, the biggest t*** in football. Can't stand that man.

Given that international football in this country is a dead duck, who cares who gets the job? the players don't care a hoot about England and neither does the premier league. Look how many talented Scottish managers there are in the PL and then look how Scotland do? Even under Fergie Scotland struggled in '86. Face it, it's the champions league that matters now. Time to accept that and forgot about the WC and the Euro's

The fact the highest they have ever finished has been 4th and that was only on one occasion previously shows that they are not having an awful season. Regardless of if Chelsea win or not, that should not derail the progress Tottenham have made in recent years to get them there or there about among the top clubs.

I find it funny you seem to target Tottenham for possibly finishing 4th but I have never seen a Manchester City playing awful post, despite them spending hundreds of millions over the past years and only just having a real opportunity at winning the Premiership.

Fair point. But who would take his place? Lets hope they never, ever play Andy Carrol again.

To be honest I can see this European Cup being the last major competition for country. While there are a few off pitch incidents and a few other incidents I can't and wont agree with, he is possibly the best central defender England has at the moment. I don't think Cahill, Shawcross or any of the young defenders emerging are quite there if I am honest.




They'd never play Andy Carrol in defence, him being a Striker.

I didn't say they'd had a bad season, I said their form had collapsed since Redknapp became associated with the England post. I do wish you would take the trouble to read what is said, and not simply complain about something that isn't there.

OK.... if it makes you happy.... Spurs will do wonderfully well to finish fourth. Is that better..? <rolls eyes upwards>.

As for Manchester City... Well, they have been the best team in the Premiership this season by a country mile. They have had their difficulties with Tevez and Balotelli and those things were disruptive enough, but for my money, it was when Yaya Toure went off to play in the African Cup of Nations that they had their worst period.

Toure has been their biggest ace, and those who carped about the amount of money spent to bring him to Eastlands, and the size of his wages must, after the last two games, admit that he is the very pulse of this City team.

Yes, Manchester City have bought a lot of players. So what..? It's not as if United have never done that. Schmeichal Van Nistelrooy, Ince, Keane, Stam, Sheringham, Yorke, Ronaldo, de Gaea, Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand....... Shall I go on..? I could name a similar number of players who were bought by Chelsea and Arsenal if I tried.

City aren't doing anything to achieve success that United, Blackburn, Arsenal and Chelsea (in other words, all the clubs who have their name on the Premiership trophy) haven't done so why single City out for criticism..?


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I don't think internantional football is a dead duck, it's just swamped by the sheer selfishness of the supporters of the top clubs, and the relentless promotion of the Sky Sports juggernaut continuously pushing the Premiership and Champions League in our faces.

It's only the clubs who achieve Champions League status who say it is "more important", and that's because they're in it. They command the most attention, get most of the press coverage, all of the money and more prime time live TV than anybody else. Impressionable youngsters who look no further than their TV screen to tell them what to watch just go with the flow.

Players, lured by money beyond the wildest dreams of avarice, would kill and eat their own children to be involved in it. The relentless push, push, push of the television machine gives this competition, which is nothing less than a European Super League for the benefit of a few elite clubs. a veneer of importance way beyond what it should have.

But ask any player, in his lucid moments, if really.... deep down... he'd like to be a World Champion. Ask those players who have won a World Cup or their respective continental championship how they felt when they won it.

Wayne Rooney has a Champions League medal already. He may even get another one whilst at Old Trafford, but he'll never get what Bobby Charlton has got. A World Cup. His career will always be lacking something, and he'll know it. Nearly 50 years on, English fans still revere the "Boys of '66". Bobby Charlton, the "White Knight" of English football, is still held in the highest esteem wherever he goes. But when he's in his old age, who will remember Wayne Rooney..?

A Champions League medal makes you a winner today. A world cup makes you immortal.

Those fans at the elite clubs can shrug off international football as irrelevant now, but already, Liverpool are becoming a fading memory in the ECL and their fans are suffering. How long after the departure of Messrs Wenger and Ferguson will it take for that to happen to Arsenal and United..? It can't happen, you say...? Oh, can't it..?

What for their fans then..? They'll whistle a different tune, that's what.

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Ask the supporters, deep down, which was a better game, the WC final of 2011 or the Manchester Utd. vs Barcelona Champions league final. By far the better game.
I watched the 2010 WC final and I'm glad England didn't win that. How could you feel pride after all the dreadful matches that had preceded it?
Face it, English players don't seem to have much enthusiasm for the World cup these days. It was all down him after the PL was formed. Yet the irony was the FA said England would do better in world cups after the formation of the PL

The FA reckoned without realising what a monster they had created. Once they sold football's soul to mammon, it was never going to be about the game anymore.

Yep, the WC final of 2010 was dross... a spectacle ruined by a cynical Holland team who disgraced the tradition bequeathed to them by their illustrious forebears. But that doesn't make the competition irrelevant.

I don't think England can win.... or even compete effectively.... in any international competition all the time the Premiership is driven by Sky Sports. But who knows... they may decide, one day, to stop financing English football and take their money elsewhere. When that happens, the flow of big money imports will stop coming here to exploit the English game. Future generations of English players can flourish again and so what if we don't win any more Champion's Leagues. Some time in the wilderness, until our home grown players raise their standards, won't do us any harm.

English football's current base is built entirely on television money. That's a very fragile foundation. If that money ever stops flowing in........

When the English game becomes "English" again, it will go into decline for a while, 'tis true, but it will recover in time. In England, there will always be football.

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