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crazychica On March 13, 2011
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#31New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 20:58:45
@_Samantha_ Said

I know f*** all about computers. But how do military defence networks stay secure then?



With difficulty. They're almost constantly under attack at some point or another. Same goes for government computer networks. Sometimes it's for kicks, other times it's a form of protest or to try to gather information. Also since they have the capability of sending and receiving large number of emails, infecting a government computer system is a good way of spreading your virus or malware.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#32New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:00:05
Plus, imagine a virus that infects home computers and alters the vote as it's being cast by the user?

Entirely trivial to do. Spend a few months distributing the virus before the election, and......
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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#33New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:00:12
@jonnythan Said

They often don't, actually.

But most of the critical systems are simply not connected to the internet. They are run over private networks.


Ok, so don't make it internet based then. Just have a digi network to speed up the counting and make it private. What's wrong with that?
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#34New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:01:39
The creator could even spend some time distributing the virus and infecting literally millions of home computers. We know this is easy to do already.

Then, with 5 million computers at his disposal, he could shop around the voting to the various parties.

"I'll start the bidding at $20 million. Tories, are you willing to offer 25?"
Lili On July 12, 2019
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Sunshine Land,
#35New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:03:59
Wow.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#36New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:04:34
@_Samantha_ Said

Ok, so don't make it internet based then. Just have a digi network to speed up the counting and make it private. What's wrong with that?


First you need to create the private network - you're talking about a nationwide network that reaches every locality.

$20 billion. Single-purpose private network to be used once every several years.

Now, you need to set up digital polling stations. Hundreds of millions of dollars to set up, staff, and secure. The private network doesn't go to anyone's home, so people still need to drag their asses out of their house and go vote at some computer at this network access location.

Is this the best way to solve the problem of people getting turned away after the polls close?

Networked digital voting is not the answer. Streamlining the process and allowing people who line up before closing time to cast their vote is the answer. Billions and billions of dollars cheaper, more secure, more verifiable, easier, and more easily recountable.

Digital networked voting is simply not the best solution to the problem. It's not even a solution at all.
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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#37New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:05:06
@crazychica Said

With difficulty. They're almost constantly under attack at some point or another. Same goes for government computer networks. Sometimes it's for kicks, other times it's a form of protest or to try to gather information. Also since they have the capability of sending and receiving large number of emails, infecting a government computer system is a good way of spreading your virus or malware.



@jonnythan Said

The creator could even spend some time distributing the virus and infecting literally millions of home computers. We know this is easy to do already.

Then, with 5 million computers at his disposal, he could shop around the voting to the various parties.

"I'll start the bidding at $20 million. Tories, are you willing to offer 25?"


This is paranoia though. if they can do that, then they can rig paper counts too.
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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#38New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:06:27
@_Samantha_ Said

This is paranoia though. if they can do that, then they can rig paper counts too.


It's orders of magnitude harder. How is one determined person, or even a hundred determined people, going to break into tens of thousands of polling locations across the country and alter millions of individual paper votes?
hedkandi1984_21 On July 23, 2013




London, United Kingdom
#39New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:06:41
I don't think digital voting is the way. There are so many ways to get around that. I think the problem is the rules need to be changed.

Polling stations should stay open longer and if you've been queuing up hours before closing time, you should be allowed to vote. All polling stations should have ballot papers for every single person on the electoral role who will be visiting that station, just in case.

These were the main issues that needs sorting out. The law basically doesn't allow any flexibility and polling stations were simply unprepared for the rise in turnout.
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#40New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:08:09
@_Samantha_ Said

This is paranoia though. if they can do that, then they can rig paper counts too.



Not as easily. When you go to vote you go in and don't even show the presiding officer your vote. It goes straight in the box. The boxes are pretty closely watched to keep it fair. Also, you get one ballot paper and one ballot paper only. If you spoil that paper you have to give it to the presiding officer so he can verify that it's spoiled before you get a new one.
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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#41New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:08:14
@jonnythan Said

First you need to create the private network - you're talking about a nationwide network that reaches every locality.

$20 billion. Single-purpose private network to be used once every several years.

Now, you need to set up digital polling stations. Hundreds of millions of dollars to set up, staff, and secure. The private network doesn't go to anyone's home, so people still need to drag their asses out of their house and go vote at some computer at this network access location.

Is this the best way to solve the problem of people getting turned away after the polls close?

Networked digital voting is not the answer. Streamlining the process and allowing people who line up before closing time to cast their vote is the answer. Billions and billions of dollars cheaper, more secure, more verifiable, easier, and more easily recountable.

Digital networked voting is simply not the best solution to the problem. It's not even a solution at all.


Yeah. Trouble is peeps are gonna keep on coming in. Where are you gonna stop them?
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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#42New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:10:48
@crazychica Said

Not as easily. When you go to vote you go in and don't even show the presiding officer your vote. It goes straight in the box. The boxes are pretty closely watched to keep it fair. Also, you get one ballot paper and one ballot paper only. If you spoil that paper you have to give it to the presiding officer so he can verify that it's spoiled before you get a new one.



I meant the counting. If like Jonnythan says parties will pay for digital corruption, then whats to stop them paying counters of paper votes to miscount?
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#43New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:11:31
@_Samantha_ Said

I meant the counting. If like Jonnythan says parties will pay for digital corruption, then whats to stop them paying counters of paper votes to miscount?



Double counts. It gets verified.
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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#44New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:13:38
@jonnythan Said

It's orders of magnitude harder. How is one determined person, or even a hundred determined people, going to break into tens of thousands of polling locations across the country and alter millions of individual paper votes?


They dont. A party wants to swing the vote, it rigs the staff.
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#45New Post! May 07, 2010 @ 21:15:00
@_Samantha_ Said

They dont. A party wants to swing the vote, it rigs the staff.



It's much harder to acheive. A computer system is far more vulnerable than paper.
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