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shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#31New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:03:25
@someone_else Said

So you vote for the lesser of two evils even though it isn't what would be best for the country because you know that what's best doesn't have a snowball's chance of getting elected?


At that point (the snowballs chance) I consider it not voting the lesser of two evils or even the evil of two lessers- normally there is enough of a difference that I am then voting for what's best for the country.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
Not a dude.


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American Alps, Washington
#32New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:05:33
@shinobinoz Said

At that point (the snowballs chance) I consider it not voting the lesser of two evils or even the evil of two lessers- normally there is enough of a difference that I am then voting for what's best for the country.



You're not making a whole lot of sense.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#33New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:07:03
@Tar Said

Then, as I said, you are part of the exacerbation in that you do not show support for the person whom you do truly support. You hedge your bets and enable people like Romney or Obama.


Bulls***.
I've have and do support the candidate of my choice. But when it get's down to breaking up the two party system you'll not be doing that by voting for a third party candidate if it gets the worst person in office. If the better of the two party system is going to win- I do and have voted for the person I prefer.

I'm not so selfish as to think that my choice has to trump all others especially when it means that choice would put the opposite of what I believe into office.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#34New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:07:31
@someone_else Said

You're not making a whole lot of sense.


Read the next post. Clearer?
sAeGeSpAeNe On March 03, 2021
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#35New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:12:07
Meeting Bark Obungler could be dangerous to your health!

Here's the proof, disbelievers!
someone_else On August 30, 2012
Not a dude.


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American Alps, Washington
#36New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:13:27
@shinobinoz Said

Read the next post. Clearer?



No, not really. You're still basically saying that even though I think this person is the best choice, I shouldn't vote for that person because he won't get enough votes, so I should choose someone who is not as good because he has a better chance of winning.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#37New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 01:18:26
@someone_else Said

No, not really. You're still basically saying that even though I think this person is the best choice, I shouldn't vote for that person because he won't get enough votes, so I should choose someone who is not as good because he has a better chance of winning.


That's not what I said. I said "I" "Me" votes for third party candidates if the two party candidate most likely to win is most closely aligned with my beliefs. If the two party candidate that is most likely to win- one that I cannot support I do not make a selfish vote for my choice who is not going to win, I vote instead for what I feel is best for the country.
Leon On May 14, 2021




San Diego, California
#38New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:23:24
@shinobinoz Said

Bulls***.
I've have and do support the candidate of my choice. But when it get's down to breaking up the two party system you'll not be doing that by voting for a third party candidate if it gets the worst person in office. If the better of the two party system is going to win- I do and have voted for the person I prefer.

I'm not so selfish as to think that my choice has to trump all others especially when it means that choice would put the opposite of what I believe into office.


Agreed. I'm sure a lot of people regretted voting for Nader when it put Bush in office.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#39New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:25:16
@Leon Said

Agreed. I'm sure a lot of people regretted voting for Nader when it put Bush in office.


Twas one of 'em.
I've learned my lesson.
The time to fight for third party candidates is before the primaries & the general election!
Leon On May 14, 2021




San Diego, California
#40New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:27:25
@shinobinoz Said

Twas one of 'em.
I've learned my lesson.
The time to fight for third party candidates is before the primaries & the general election!


Or when they actually have a chance, such as Perot before he chickened out late summer and lost his admiration and respect.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#41New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:28:57
@Leon Said

Or when they actually have a chance, such as Perot before he chickened out late summer and lost his admiration and respect.


Really what needs to be done is to bust up the two party system and let everyone play with a equal footing.
Leon On May 14, 2021




San Diego, California
#42New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:45:58
@shinobinoz Said

Really what needs to be done is to bust up the two party system and let everyone play with a equal footing.


Well we are kind of limited in what we can do, as the winner-takes all system that our constitution set up naturally settles into a two party system - a dominant party and opposing party.

However, campaign finance reform can redistribute power out of lobbyists and back to the voting population, and result in better representation of the people even if that representation still remains primarily from two parties.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#43New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:50:04
@Leon Said

Well we are kind of limited in what we can do, as the winner-takes all system that our constitution set up naturally settles into a two party system - a dominant party and opposing party.

However, campaign finance reform can redistribute power out of lobbyists and back to the voting population, and result in better representation of the people even if that representation still remains primarily from two parties.



We need something more than the stalemate we have now for sure.
And don't forget,
"Corporations are people too! "
Leon On May 14, 2021




San Diego, California
#44New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 04:54:53
@shinobinoz Said

We need something more than the stalemate we have now for sure.
And don't forget,
"Corporations are people too! "


I know I'll be attacked here for saying this, but I truly believe it's the only reason why America doesn't have the "socialist" measures that Europe has. If the people's vote truly did count here as they do there, we would have had universal health care long ago.
boxerdc On December 18, 2012

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#45New Post! Jul 07, 2012 @ 13:23:39
@DiscordTiger Said

I'm pretty familiar with him, and while he is not perfect (who is?).


Me!!!

Vote for me!!!

I'll make "choose an avatar theme friday" mandatory, and we'll all have to wear costumes instead of just changing our pix on TFS.
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