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shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#106New Post! Mar 11, 2016 @ 03:30:34
@Eaglebauer Said

It took a very long time for me to forgive. Not him. Myself.

That's all I know.


Glad you came to terms with whatever bad you & your loved one went through friend. Must have been a struggle. I've not had an immediate family or really close friend go through it but have seen many many such horrors from a little bit away.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#107New Post! Mar 11, 2016 @ 03:31:38
@Mauve Said

Like I mentioned before, my boyfriend's ex committed suicide and she was incredibly stuck in depression and ended it because of that. Her death was a tragic one and has effed me up severely. I think about it several times a day.


I'm quite sure. Health & happiness to you & yours.
Hitting40 On November 20, 2016




The middle of nowhere, United
#108New Post! Mar 11, 2016 @ 15:31:24
I don't class euthanasia as suicide. Although technically it could well be. I see both as completely different.

Euthanasia is relieving someone of the emotional and physical pain of a often long drawn out inevitable death. The family are involved and most cases in support of the persons decision. There is no other option other than death as the outcome. Whether or not the person is assisted in their passing or not. Conditions are terminal there is no cure.

Suicide is relieving yourself of the emotional and sometimes physical pain of a short term, curable situation or condition. If in the right mind the problem or illness can be rectified. As with most cases which are mental trauma or illness a person can gain treatment or help and live a long often normal happy life. They simply can't live in that moment but if the moment is allowed to pass, things can change and improvement can be found.

I have had involvement with both situations. I have seen families and patients gain relief from euthanasia. Comfort knowing the person is out of pain, inevitable pain which would of consumed them anyway.Euthanasia is more often than not a very selfless act. Families put their own pain of losing someone aside to help that person and the person themselves wants to save their families the heartache of seeing them wither away suffering.

Suicide is very selfish the person has no concern for what the act will do to there families. They see themselves and that moment. The families are angry and hurt at themselves and the person who committed the act. The right of grieving is often overshadowed by the situation itself and guilt heartache a feeling of failure.

I have seen first hand a family crumble and lose everything from the effects of a suicide.
This family went from a happy loving home to nothing in a year.
Mum was a stay at home mum, dad had a good well paid job, they lived in a nice house in a nice area. Went on days out every weekend. The kids had good grades at school. One child was 17 and sitting A-levels, a typical A* student the other was eleven and just moving up to senior school, with great grades.
On moving up to the senior school the eleven year started to get bullied. He told his parents they did all the right things contacted the school etc. The school spoke to the other children involved. Unbeknow to the parents and the school this just made the situation worse and he was bullied more and threatened not to tell tales again, so he kept it quiet. The parents had been contemplating moving schools but thought as the situation was sorted out they would leave him in this school, so as not to teach him to run from his problems, to face them and deal with them as a family, as they thought they had.
He was only there three months and one day his mum went to his room to tell him dinner was ready after he'd returned from school. He was hanging from the back of his bedroom door by his bed sheets.
Within a year that family went from the ideal life to losing a child, their other child was on drugs and had dropped out of school. The father lost his job because of drinking and not turning in and the mother was in and out of mental health hospitals. They lost there home, their life and both children, as the daughter was nothing of her former self.
They all blamed themselves for the sons death, the guilt overshadowed everything. As they believed it was their fault. Their fault they hadn't changed schools, their fault they hadn't known it continued etc...
That eleven year old couldn't live in that moment so he killed himself, not only taking his own life but the life of his whole family. If he'd had the chance to see past that moment he would of been able to see he had the power to change that moment and live on having a happy and long life. He had a temporary problem that could be solved but couldn't see that and took the permanent solution.
Now i know this is a bad example because he was only a child but this is how suicide affects people/families.

Suicide is a selfish permanent solution to a temporary problem.
whereas euthanasia is a unselfish permanent solution to a permanent problem.
They are miles apart, in my opinion.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#109New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 05:14:44
@Hitting40 Said

I don't class euthanasia as suicide. Although technically it could well be. I see both as completely different.

Euthanasia is relieving someone of the emotional and physical pain of a often long drawn out inevitable death. The family are involved and most cases in support of the persons decision. There is no other option other than death as the outcome. Whether or not the person is assisted in their passing or not. Conditions are terminal there is no cure.

Suicide is relieving yourself of the emotional and sometimes physical pain of a short term, curable situation or condition. If in the right mind the problem or illness can be rectified. As with most cases which are mental trauma or illness a person can gain treatment or help and live a long often normal happy life. They simply can't live in that moment but if the moment is allowed to pass, things can change and improvement can be found.

I have had involvement with both situations. I have seen families and patients gain relief from euthanasia. Comfort knowing the person is out of pain, inevitable pain which would of consumed them anyway.Euthanasia is more often than not a very selfless act. Families put their own pain of losing someone aside to help that person and the person themselves wants to save their families the heartache of seeing them wither away suffering.

Suicide is very selfish the person has no concern for what the act will do to there families. They see themselves and that moment. The families are angry and hurt at themselves and the person who committed the act. The right of grieving is often overshadowed by the situation itself and guilt heartache a feeling of failure.

I have seen first hand a family crumble and lose everything from the effects of a suicide.
This family went from a happy loving home to nothing in a year.
Mum was a stay at home mum, dad had a good well paid job, they lived in a nice house in a nice area. Went on days out every weekend. The kids had good grades at school. One child was 17 and sitting A-levels, a typical A* student the other was eleven and just moving up to senior school, with great grades.
On moving up to the senior school the eleven year started to get bullied. He told his parents they did all the right things contacted the school etc. The school spoke to the other children involved. Unbeknow to the parents and the school this just made the situation worse and he was bullied more and threatened not to tell tales again, so he kept it quiet. The parents had been contemplating moving schools but thought as the situation was sorted out they would leave him in this school, so as not to teach him to run from his problems, to face them and deal with them as a family, as they thought they had.
He was only there three months and one day his mum went to his room to tell him dinner was ready after he'd returned from school. He was hanging from the back of his bedroom door by his bed sheets.
Within a year that family went from the ideal life to losing a child, their other child was on drugs and had dropped out of school. The father lost his job because of drinking and not turning in and the mother was in and out of mental health hospitals. They lost there home, their life and both children, as the daughter was nothing of her former self.
They all blamed themselves for the sons death, the guilt overshadowed everything. As they believed it was their fault. Their fault they hadn't changed schools, their fault they hadn't known it continued etc...
That eleven year old couldn't live in that moment so he killed himself, not only taking his own life but the life of his whole family. If he'd had the chance to see past that moment he would of been able to see he had the power to change that moment and live on having a happy and long life. He had a temporary problem that could be solved but couldn't see that and took the permanent solution.
Now i know this is a bad example because he was only a child but this is how suicide affects people/families.

Suicide is a selfish permanent solution to a temporary problem.
whereas euthanasia is a unselfish permanent solution to a permanent problem.
They are miles apart, in my opinion.


For the most part- but is it possible that certain suicides can be an act of self euthanasia?
Hitting40 On November 20, 2016




The middle of nowhere, United
#110New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 13:29:04
@shinobinoz Said

For the most part- but is it possible that certain suicides can be an act of self euthanasia?



hmm i guess so but then isnt it simply euthanasia then

I would class it as euthanasia if the person had a terminal illness and was going to die anyway, i think.

It's a good question.

I suppose in one way though it's more of a tomato/tomarto thing but then it's like saying theyre both the same thing, but i don't believe they are.

God dam it i thought i had this all worked out in my head, now you've confused me
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#111New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 15:59:43
@Hitting40 Said

hmm i guess so but then isnt it simply euthanasia then

I would class it as euthanasia if the person had a terminal illness and was going to die anyway, i think.

It's a good question.

I suppose in one way though it's more of a tomato/tomarto thing but then it's like saying theyre both the same thing, but i don't believe they are.

God dam it i thought i had this all worked out in my head, now you've confused me


Me too!
Mauve On March 24, 2024




San Antonio, Texas
#112New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 16:59:14
Something that has always sickened me is how many people romanticize young death and suicide.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#113New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 18:39:37
@Mauve Said

Something that has always sickened me is how many people romanticize young death and suicide.


You didn't like Romeo & Juliet?
Mauve On March 24, 2024




San Antonio, Texas
#114New Post! Mar 12, 2016 @ 19:53:36
@shinobinoz Said

You didn't like Romeo & Juliet?



That's an exception!
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