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Hitting40 On November 20, 2016




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#16New Post! Mar 21, 2015 @ 15:39:37
nothing may also just be something we have not yet gained the knowledge to confirm exactly what something it is. If that makes sense. At one point we fell off the end of the flat earth, if we continued travelling over the horizon into nothingness. That nothingness now returns us to where we started, as the world is actually round. We just didn't know it then.
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#17New Post! Mar 21, 2015 @ 18:11:32
D = Dependent Being
I = Independent Being

Dependent Being = That whose existence is dependent upon another
Independent Being = That whose existence is not dependent upon another

In the universe, we can agree that it is the case that only dependent beings exist or that it is not the case that only dependent beings exist, which implies that independent beings exist as well. These are the only two options.

This is the universe, the chain of causation (-> = "is caused by" ).

...D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D->D

Dependent beings have existed eternally, and the chain goes back ad infinitum.

Can you prove that the chain is logically impossible? If you can, then it is logically impossible that it is that case that only dependent beings exist. If it is thus not the case that only dependent beings exist, then it is the case that at least one independent being exists. If it is the case that at least one independent being exists, then something can come from nothing; that something can cause itself.

Can you demonstrate that the infinitely regressing chain of dependent beings is logically impossible?
chaski On about 12 hours ago
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#18New Post! Mar 21, 2015 @ 21:10:49
@galasTAray Said


Can you demonstrate that the infinitely regressing chain of dependent beings is logically impossible?


I think that I can demonstrate that it is not necessarily factual, however logical it may be.

1st - If you believe in god the creator, at least in the Abrahamic religions, then there is one being that exists independent of any other beings. The god creator would be IB.

2nd - If you don't believe in the god creator, but rather believe that life formed from some natural process, then there was at least one being at the beginning of life that was not dependent on another beings. The 1st life form was IB.

This 2nd scenario would apply to every unique form of life that sprang forth in any given environment or world. That is, there could have been multiple 1st life forms that formed independent of each other by way of some natural process. In this situation, there were many IB.

3rd - If life formed by some natural process (let's say for the sake of argument that 3.5 billion years ago life formed by some natural process). In this case, it would be reasonable to assume that if and when the same or similar circumstances reoccured, then new life could form independent of other life forms (either on planet earth or some other planet). In this situation, there would also be IB.

Of course, in scenario 3, if said IB needed other beings to obtain life maintaining sustenance...then it would not be IB.
Electric_Banana On February 05, 2024




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#19New Post! Mar 21, 2015 @ 21:37:58
@Erimitus Said

Causality

Causality refers to the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first event. (i.e., causality is a chain reaction)

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Premise: The initial effect of the chain reaction was uncaused

If: the initial effect of the chain reaction of causality was uncaused

Then: nothing is the cause of everything


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Premise: There was no initial cause.

If: There was no initial cause

Then: everything always was, is now, and always will be, albeit in different forms.

note: Past forms no longer exist and future forms do not exist yet.

note: the present is the only existence.



The proceedings of naturally chaotic occurrences are being organized and ordered to the best benefit of all is what I would assume.

How?

Ends justifying means.

Example:

Ozone begins to weaken from general chaos (wear and tear) or many instances and actions too impossible to control and uncover.

Sun rays get through with more intensity melting ice caps.

Moisture rises into the air from the melting ice caps replenishing the ozone layer.
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