@white_swan53 Said 
I'm wondering where you have come up with this idea that gun owners assume any of the things you posted about.
Who is this that is assuming that if gun control laws were loosened or removed that people not already gun owners would go out and buy one or more ?
That's just ridiculous .
Gun owners do not assume anything about these new stiffer gun control laws.
The issues gun owners have with these 'new stiffer' gun control laws have nothing what so ever to do with more people going out and becoming first time gun owners.
The majority of 'law abiding citizens' who are legal gun owners knew the basic gun safety tips and have the respect for firearms that is needed to be a responsible law abiding
owner of a legal firearm. Now this is an assumption on my part, the percentage of law abiding citizens in the US that never have and probably never will own a gun ,that knows the basic safety rules for fire arms is probably close to nil.
It's just plain
not good logic or common sense to assume that arming people will reduce the number and intensity of incidents involving guns. You can't start passing out firearms to just everyone and expect anything good to come out of it.
The only people I know of that make wild and totally ridiculous assumptions about the issues legal gun owners has with the new gun control laws are those people that do not have a clue about what legal gun owners take issue with .
These same people read about a 'Blood bath' happening, like the one in Brooklyn and start jumping up and down screaming for new stiffer gun control laws , never stopping to think about the fact that the those criminals causing the 'Blood Baths' like the one in Brooklyn don't give two s***s for any laws past ,present or future and have no inclination to ever own a legal firearm.
What makes people assume that if I'm banned from owning a legal firearm or more more more stiffer stiffer gun control control laws are passed that criminal will stop going out and causing a 'blood bath' whenever they feel like it?
What makes people assume that my owning a legal firearm is what causes school shootings and if my firearms are taken or better controlled by the politician that things like armed robbery ,school shootings and blood baths will become a thing of the past ?
Look at Europe, firearms have been banned from law abiding citizens for centuries and yet there is still gun violence happening.
Yes I realize that there isn't as much gun violence over there as we have here. But when the math is done and the fact that it has been literally centuries that the ban has been in affect , that a lot of crimes involving guns over there.
Please don't assume that I'm trying to excuse ours here in the US or that I'm trying to distract attention by pointing fingers to theirs over there.
My point is even after hundreds of years of guns being banned to law abiding citizens , there is still crimes involving guns happening. in Europe. If pro gun control people would just stop and use their heads for something besides a hat rack , and if every one would put the focus on the criminal element that is causing the violence . there might be a chance for real change.
But, I know that is just 'pie in the shy' fantasy and has a snowballs chance in hell of happening.
Your OP implies almost the exact opposite to every point I've made and you've said regarding those points here.
Also, your issue here seems to be that gun laws don't work because SOME incidents still occur even with strict restriction and that this is grounds for a restructuring of how gun laws work. Never mind the fact that the complete removal of gun related incidents in any country is virtually impossible to achieve as long as guns exist in the world.
How would this be achieved? You yourself openly stated that criminal elements do not care about the laws at all so what would the point be to creating different laws and what would they be specifically? How would they be enforced? How would this work, specifically in our enshrined 'rights' of 'innocent until proven guilty'?
How do you create preventative laws in a society which believes that people are innocent until proven guilty?
And I know that the counterargument to this is that legal gun owners are treated like criminals, but are they really? Are they ostracized from communities for purchasing a firearm? Are they given weird and scandalized looks from the general population when they talk about owning a firearm? Does legally owning a firearm make it more difficult to get a job? Do they have to serve time in a state city or federal prison for owning a firearm?
Saying that having to register a gun and be put on a list is akin to being treated like a criminal is like saying being required to register and pass a test to get a drivers license is akin to being a criminal.
Jul 26, 2013 @ 23:50:11
