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Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Jun 17, 2012 @ 07:59:10
The FA have confirmed that England will play Scotland on 14 August 2013 as part of the FA's 150th anniversary celebrations.

England vs Scotland is the world's oldest international football fixture, the first game having been played in November 1872. Almost up to the end of the 20th Century it was an annual event, played alternately in London and Glasgow, mostly as part of the British Championship.

To date, the head to head reads: Of 110 matches played, England have won 45, Scotland 41 with 24 matches drawn. England have scored 192 goals to the Scots 169.

Some matches have aroused intense emotions and have even boiled over into outright hostility. In 1967, the Scots beat England 3-2 at Wembley and were the first team to beat England after they had won the world cup. The Scots instantly proclaimed themselves world champions and there was even a demand for England to hand over the Jules Rimet Trophy.

In 1977, the Scots won again at Wembley and their fans then sacked the stadium, smashing seats, ripping up the pitch and tearing down the goals. The Scottish FA refused to apologise for their fans behaviour, claiming it was all "good natured celebration".

After that, FA Secretary Ted Croker declared a ban on Scottish fans, refusing to sell tickets north of the border, but UEFA ordered the FA to give the SFA their allocation and other tickets found their way into Scottish hands via the black market. The taunting banner "So you tried to ban us Mr Croker" appeared at Wembley on the next occasion of the teams playing each other. The FA seethed.

England had its own hooligan problem, but it wasn't so specific to any one fixture. England's problem was more generally widespread, but the Scots fans targeted the two-yearly visit to London. They hated the English and saved their worst behaviour for this match.

The citizens of North London (where Wembley Stadium is sited) protested loud and often about the match. In the past, Scottish fans have broken into shops to steal money and alcohol, mugged passersby for money, smashed up parked cars, fought running battles with police, abused people going about their business, and used residents gardens as toilets. By the 1980's, the two-yearly visit of Scotland would see the area around the Stadium become a ghost town as residents left for the weekend. Many shopkeepers would board their premises up and close until the Scots went home. It really was that bad.

The last regular annual fixture between the two countries took place in 1989 after which the FA bowed to pressure from residents groups, the police and the government. The tradition of the game was no longer worth the social consequences of having the Scots in town, even if it was only every other year.

Since then there have been only three matches between the teams, all of them as part of the European Championship.

During this hiatus, both English and Scottish fans have been fairly successful in re-inventing themselves as peaceful ambassadors for their nations' football teams. Official travel clubs, with stringent penalties meted out to those who break the rules, and court-issued banning orders keeping known troublemakers away from matches have been very successful in breaking the cycle of violence.

The FA say this match will be a one-off, but some fan groups are already suggesting that it could pave the way for re-instating the game as an annual fixture. The Celtic nations have, in recent years, attempted to resume the British Championship but England declined to take part claiming their fixture schedule was already too crowded, though many believe it was to avoid having the Scots come back to London. England's non-participation made the resumed British Championship unattractive to the sports broadcasters and the whole thing has been regarded pretty much a flop.

I'm sure next year's fixture will be eagerly awaited by fans of both countries. Whether the residents of North London have cause to regret it is yet to be seen.


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jmo On April 29, 2021
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Jun 29, 2012 @ 19:28:42
Could be interesting to see. Not been trouble at a Scotland international now for years and years (including matches against England) so I very much doubt it will reignite any time soon.

Oldest rivalry in international football so good to have it played again and nice to see it at the Home of Football. Also nice to see the FA have given Scotland 20,000 tickets so should be a decent turn out. Must admit I'm very tempted to buy a ticket for this, but unsure if I really want to buy the Scotland 'Season Ticket' to guarantee a ticket for a one off friendly.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Jul 01, 2012 @ 22:24:32
@jmo Said

Could be interesting to see. Not been trouble at a Scotland international now for years and years (including matches against England) so I very much doubt it will reignite any time soon.

Oldest rivalry in international football so good to have it played again and nice to see it at the Home of Football. Also nice to see the FA have given Scotland 20,000 tickets so should be a decent turn out. Must admit I'm very tempted to buy a ticket for this, but unsure if I really want to buy the Scotland 'Season Ticket' to guarantee a ticket for a one off friendly.



I'm quite sure there will be more than 20'000 Scots in Wembley on the day. lol.

Yes, I hope it goes off peacefully. I don't know about resurrecting it as a regular fixture. The international calendar is very crowded now, and club managers are loathe to let players go even for friendlies. If they thought their superstar was going to be involved in a hard, competitive match and could get crocked then the old "not available - injured" gag might come up again.

To have a team of reserves turning out would make a mockery of the occasion. If this game is worth playing, it's got to be played like it means something.

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MAW On October 31, 2012

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Stockport, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Jul 01, 2012 @ 22:27:00
@Jennifer1984 Said

I'm quite sure there will be more than 20'000 Scots in Wembley on the day. lol.

Yes, I hope it goes off peacefully. I don't know about resurrecting it as a regular fixture. The international calendar is very crowded now, and club managers are loathe to let players go even for friendlies. If they thought their superstar was going to be involved in a hard, competitive match and could get crocked then the old "not available - injured" gag might come up again.

To have a team of reserves turning out would make a mockery of the occasion. If this game is worth playing, it's got to be played like it means something.

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The fighting between the Scotland and England fans is actually fighting between Man utd fans and England fans. Nothing to do with Scottish fans. Even the met know this, though it took them by suprise in 1986 when they arrested "scottish fans" only to find them speaking with Manc accents!
MAW On October 31, 2012

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Stockport, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Jul 01, 2012 @ 22:28:23
@Jennifer1984 Said

The FA have confirmed that England will play Scotland on 14 August 2013 as part of the FA's 150th anniversary celebrations.

England vs Scotland is the world's oldest international football fixture, the first game having been played in November 1872. Almost up to the end of the 20th Century it was an annual event, played alternately in London and Glasgow, mostly as part of the British Championship.

To date, the head to head reads: Of 110 matches played, England have won 45, Scotland 41 with 24 matches drawn. England have scored 192 goals to the Scots 169.

Some matches have aroused intense emotions and have even boiled over into outright hostility. In 1967, the Scots beat England 3-2 at Wembley and were the first team to beat England after they had won the world cup. The Scots instantly proclaimed themselves world champions and there was even a demand for England to hand over the Jules Rimet Trophy.

In 1977, the Scots won again at Wembley and their fans then sacked the stadium, smashing seats, ripping up the pitch and tearing down the goals. The Scottish FA refused to apologise for their fans behaviour, claiming it was all "good natured celebration".

After that, FA Secretary Ted Croker declared a ban on Scottish fans, refusing to sell tickets north of the border, but UEFA ordered the FA to give the SFA their allocation and other tickets found their way into Scottish hands via the black market. The taunting banner "So you tried to ban us Mr Croker" appeared at Wembley on the next occasion of the teams playing each other. The FA seethed.

England had its own hooligan problem, but it wasn't so specific to any one fixture. England's problem was more generally widespread, but the Scots fans targeted the two-yearly visit to London. They hated the English and saved their worst behaviour for this match.

The citizens of North London (where Wembley Stadium is sited) protested loud and often about the match. In the past, Scottish fans have broken into shops to steal money and alcohol, mugged passersby for money, smashed up parked cars, fought running battles with police, abused people going about their business, and used residents gardens as toilets. By the 1980's, the two-yearly visit of Scotland would see the area around the Stadium become a ghost town as residents left for the weekend. Many shopkeepers would board their premises up and close until the Scots went home. It really was that bad.

The last regular annual fixture between the two countries took place in 1989 after which the FA bowed to pressure from residents groups, the police and the government. The tradition of the game was no longer worth the social consequences of having the Scots in town, even if it was only every other year.

Since then there have been only three matches between the teams, all of them as part of the European Championship.

During this hiatus, both English and Scottish fans have been fairly successful in re-inventing themselves as peaceful ambassadors for their nations' football teams. Official travel clubs, with stringent penalties meted out to those who break the rules, and court-issued banning orders keeping known troublemakers away from matches have been very successful in breaking the cycle of violence.

The FA say this match will be a one-off, but some fan groups are already suggesting that it could pave the way for re-instating the game as an annual fixture. The Celtic nations have, in recent years, attempted to resume the British Championship but England declined to take part claiming their fixture schedule was already too crowded, though many believe it was to avoid having the Scots come back to London. England's non-participation made the resumed British Championship unattractive to the sports broadcasters and the whole thing has been regarded pretty much a flop.

I'm sure next year's fixture will be eagerly awaited by fans of both countries. Whether the residents of North London have cause to regret it is yet to be seen.


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Will the residents of Penzance regret it?
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Jul 01, 2012 @ 23:01:03
@MAW Said

Will the residents of Penzance regret it?



Nah. They're only interested in rugby. They've got more sense.

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