@MadCornishBiker Said
I have to admit that I don't find the key phrases vague, though the prophecy itself is if you haven't found the key phrases that unlock it.
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Well for a start it doesn't foretell the end of the world, though admittedly most thought it did at the time because what it actually foretells Christ taking up kingdom power in the heavens. Some simply concluded that this would also signal Armageddon, but they were simply being too eager and getting ahead of God. Never a good idea, but we all do it at times if we aren't careful.
I said end of days, because that is what I was taught in Catholic school, and I also believe that Revelations uses that phrase quite a bit, though its been a while since I've read the Bible.
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The bible doesn't differentiate between the two, because Rome was the source of both. It confuses some people but as I said earlier the truth is usually simple.
Which indicates that 4 were in existence and rather influential or dead by the time the prophecies were written, and considering the last was apparently meant as an ethereal link anyways, then what part of this was a prediction exactly?
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Yes, but as I say above the bible simply runs the one into the other seamlessly. and doesn't differentiate between them, i. e. treats them as one.
Then for purposes of the prophecy we should do the same. Ergo 4 powers existed at some point in time before the prophecy was written...
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I am not quite sure what you mean there, but that is why iron is used for the Rome Empires, both Secular and Holy.
The Church is considered as a continuation simply because of that phrase. The other powers mentioned before or after do not have such a link
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Yes basically, if I am understanding you correctly, the people also believed the church when it said that so-and-so had the divine right, which made it easier for the kings and put them, in the debt of the church.
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That really makes little difference because it is only the ones who had a direct effect on God's people, and starts with Babylon because that was the power that held sway over them at the time of the prophecy.
How direct is direct, cause I can think of at least 5 countries in Europe who had 'direct' control over God's people between the 5th and 15th centuries and about 3 or 4 could match with the prophecy.
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No, that isn't the implication I intened to give it. The bible makes very clear which are God's people and when they became so.
The point I was trying to make is that not all prophecies give a timescale, though they are often linked to others that do. Sometimes we are simply given signs to look out for. Often you can only understand those as they happen, or even after.
With signs so vague I feel like I'm reading one of Nostradamus's predictions on the future.
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As an example of that, the prophecy in Daniel 4 was as it happens a prophecy with a dual fulfilment, nothing unusual about that. One of the fulfilments was to occur in Nebuchadnezzar's lifetime, and the other was the establishment of Jesus kingdom in 1914. At Matthew 24, Jesus also gave a dual prophecy n answer to what the disciples didn't realise were two questions. One was to have it's fulfilment n the destruction of the temple and the other was the sign of the time after he took Kingdom power, "the time of the end". Jesus gave no actual time, for it, but since it is also of his return in kingdom power that means it start it's fulfilment after 1914. The signs he gave are definitely being fulfilled, though nothing was said about how long they would last, nor whether t.hey would be instant or increase over time. They are it seems increasing over time, and not done yet.
Weren't the signs wars and famines and global rivalries between kings or something? My Jesus prophecy is a little rusty...
If that's the case, those happened in almost every age, which is partly why people cropped up professing the end of days and the coming of God's Kingdom in most of them.