Are there really any older holy books than the bible as some believe?

@woodss Said

We had a long period to develop digital technology, it took most last two decades of the 19th and 20th century to develop it, now we are in the 21st century and it take perhaps another half to bring life to close to the Jetson like life.

@vekta Said

So you're saying The earth and human kind has only been in existence for at most 3,000 years? That makes no sense what-so-ever...

@MadCornishBiker Said


Of course I cannot prove that my doubts are valid, they may be, they may not, the one thing I do know beyond any reasonable doubt is that what the bible says happened, happened.

@MadCornishBiker Said

No, it wouldn't because that is not what I am saying. Mankind has been in existence for a somewhere between 6,000 and 7,000 years. No-one knows how long the earth has been in existence because the bible doesn't tell us at what point God created it, or the universe it sits in. before anyone jumps up and say that they have found humanoid skeletons much older than that there are two answers to that one. True they are humanoid, but are they human, we will never know, after all the other primates are very similar. Secondly, even radio carbon dating is, at best either an assumption or a guess because it is all very well knowing what th radiation levels are, and what the current decay levels are, but we do not know the starting point, nor whether or not the decay rate has changed.

As an illustration. Suppose I pointed to a water tank of known capacity, told you there was a leak in it, and asked you to tell me how long it had been leaking is there any way you could tell me? No because you don't know how full the tank was in the first place, nor if the leak has remained constant, it may for all you know have either increased or decreased since it started leaking. something may have added water to it since it started leaking, or even drained water off it.

The further back you try to go in time, the more chance there is of errors creeping in to the radio carbon dating calculations.

Of course I cannot prove that my doubts are valid, they may be, they may not, the one thing I do know beyond any reasonable doubt is that what the bible says happened, happened.

@vekta Said

Just makin sure... *the eye*

@2nd_Evil_Head Said

Hard to argue with that, and all those other stories that are similar to stories in the Bible, such as the Song of Gilgamesh, the Greek tale of Phyra and Deucalion(a flood story exactly like the one in the bible), oh and the story of Prometheus, which is very close to the fall of Satan(if you consider the apocrypha), all those stories stole their ideas from the Bible, because it was clearly written first, regardless of any evidence to the contrary. The Israelites never allowed themselves to be influenced by the cultures they came in contact with, such as the Greeks, Egyptians, and Romans, even though those cultures clearly had an influence on each other, and so the Bible is also pure, and direct from Yahweh on his splendid Merkebah(throne).

@MadCornishBiker Said


If there has been any Plagiarism it has been the other cultures plagiarising God's word.

@Pcptrvanion Said

The tale of Gilgamesh encountering the Flood survivor was first written down around 2100 BCE and pre-dates the first writtings of Genesis by over a thousand years.

@MadCornishBiker Said


The further back you try to go in time, the more chance there is of errors creeping in to the radio carbon dating calculations.

@Pcptrvanion Said

True...to a point.
The farther back you go the greater the margin of error (and any good scientist will include that margin of error in the report).
...but it is typically accurate to within 50 years as far back as 10,000 years ago.

And you failed to mention that Radio Carbon Dating is only one of many methods used to determine age. When multiple methods are used and cross-referenced then the result is generally accurate.

@Pcptrvanion Said

Yeah...don't let the FACTS bother you.
Large portions of the Five Books of Moses are stolen directly from older texts.
Babylonian, Persian, and Egyptian...all of which had been writting down their beliefs for eons before the Jews ever got around to it.

"Books of Moses" - ALL of the evidence points to the books being written centuries after Moses died. Most scholars believe that Genesis was written around the sixth century BCE...AFTER cultural contamination from the Babylonians and Persians...and centuries after leaving Egypt.

@Pcptrvanion Said

True...to a point.
The farther back you go the greater the margin of error (and any good scientist will include that margin of error in the report).
...but it is typically accurate to within 50 years as far back as 10,000 years ago.

And you failed to mention that Radio Carbon Dating is only one of many methods used to determine age. When multiple methods are used and cross-referenced then the result is generally accurate.